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post #166 of 440

My first version was exactly like this one :

 

1350mod2.jpeg1350mod3.jpeg

 

My second version is like this :

 

IMG_0011.jpg

 

Basically as you can see the differences can be summed up like this :

- The damping inside the cup as been removed

- the hole in the middle of the white plastic back plate is smaller, to compensate for the absence of damping

- the two "free holes" (the black ones) on the sides of the plastic back plate are now covered with a thin black tissue, in contrast to the previous one which has a totally free hole on one side and another covered with the white paperish sheet on the other.

 

The sound is extremely similar, but what I noticed is that the second pair seems a little less "paperish" in the higher registers. I prefer the second version, but I'm afraid the difference is too small to be sure. I don't think it's worthwhile at all to change for this one at a cost (unlike the LCD2 Rev1 and 2 which seem to differ in a more substantial way).

Because of the damping removal you might think that the sound won't be as over damped as it currently is, but no, as the smaller hole on the back plate negates this.

 

On the other hand I'm starting to get pissed off (to put it lightly) by manufacturers changing stuff without reporting it (wether it has impact on sound quality or not). I think headphone manufacturers should use a software-like naming scheme. For example the first DT 1350 should be called the "DT 1350.0.0", and the second one "DT 1350.0.1". The first extra digit would be used for when the sound changes quite much (example : HD650.0.0 ; HD650.1.0, with the new grill, or LCD2.0.0, LCD2.0.1 - cosmetic changes, and LCD2.1.0 - Rev 2) and the second one for when the sound doesn't change much. More importantly, I'm tired of manufacturers sending out "beta" headphones for them to be changed very quickly afterwards. I know this is mostly for the better, but there is less than two months of production between the first version and the current one, and that tells me there hasn't been enough research in the first place. I'm starting to think Beyer really isn't a very serious company (in addition to other problems, like polarity reversal inconsistency in there production, or the fact that all the headphones I bought from them came with lots of dust and manufacturing defects in the box). This is quite bad as I feel there's much talent in that company.

 

Also, the carrying case has changed a little in its proportions, but there isn't much to notice. It definitely is different though (wider at the rounded edge, and that's all).

 

Now that I'm done ranting, I think the match was great and both teams did quite well.


Edited by MayaTlab - 10/23/11 at 5:07am
post #167 of 440
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Hmm, that's really interesting to see. I never opened up my loaner pair, so I do not know what the insides were like.

 

As for manufacturers changing things, I'm afraid this would be par for the course. Releasing things under different numbers would also be a nightmare from a inventory point of view. It might be possible on the manufacturer end to keep things sorted, but no one at the distribution end would care.

post #168 of 440

BTW Armaegis, when was your T50p pair purchased ?

 

Because I now suspect there's been much more in terms of changes than just the earpads. Tyll @ Innerfidelity measured two of them at different points in time, with the same new ear pads, and they produced differing results.

I also remember seeing a pic on the web of a very early bought T50p pair that had no plastic on the back and no meshed plastic material on the front of the driver. Then other pics showed up with different back arrangements and the tissue in front.

 

The problem is that it's likely to make your review partially obsolete about this model, the new changes may or may not correct what you saw as flaws (with which I actually agree with you about this model, I also possessed it). I don't think though that the change in the DT1350 production changes the sound in a major way.

 

I think I'll just send a mail to Beyer anyway. 

post #169 of 440

can i get some good subwoofer-like bass on the HDJ-2000 with the mod btw? or with some EQ?

post #170 of 440
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Originally Posted by MayaTlab View Post

BTW Armaegis, when was your T50p pair purchased ?

 

Because I now suspect there's been much more in terms of changes than just the earpads. Tyll @ Innerfidelity measured two of them at different points in time, with the same new ear pads, and they produced differing results.

I also remember seeing a pic on the web of a very early bought T50p pair that had no plastic on the back and no meshed plastic material on the front of the driver. Then other pics showed up with different back arrangements and the tissue in front.

 

The problem is that it's likely to make your review partially obsolete about this model, the new changes may or may not correct what you saw as flaws (with which I actually agree with you about this model, I also possessed it). I don't think though that the change in the DT1350 production changes the sound in a major way.

 

I think I'll just send a mail to Beyer anyway. 


The T50p I reviewed was a loaner, but I suspect it would have been one of the earlier production units. It does have the rounded pads vs the newer flat pads, but that's all I know as I did not open them up.

 

If you hear back from Beyer, please let me know if they provide any info.

 


 

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can i get some good subwoofer-like bass on the HDJ-2000 with the mod btw? or with some EQ?


No headphone will ever produce subwoofer like bass that you can feel in your boys downstairs. The modded Pioneer and the HD25-13 both go quite deep where you can almost feel the subharmonics, but for a true headshaker look at the Ultrasone Pro750/900 or Sony XB500/700 or Beyer DT770pro250

 

post #171 of 440

very good

post #172 of 440

so far I love the DT1350's, I will post a review in a week or so, I'm burning these babys in for a few days first.

post #173 of 440
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so far I love the DT1350's, I will post a review in a week or so, I'm burning these babys in for a few days first.



Congrats WhiteCrow welcome to the DT1350 tribe. Expect your membership card in the mail biggrin.gif

post #174 of 440
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

No headphone will ever produce subwoofer like bass that you can feel in your boys downstairs. The modded Pioneer and the HD25-13 both go quite deep where you can almost feel the subharmonics, but for a true headshaker look at the Ultrasone Pro750/900 or Sony XB500/700 or Beyer DT770pro250

 



Would you suggest it would  be wiser to just save up the extra 150$ or so and get Ultrasone Pro900s or go for a cheaper upgrade and get Denon D2000s? Don't know which are better than which for bass/movies. I heard the D2000s have closer to a subwoofer bass than 990s. I'm guessing both of those phones are a big upgrade from the HDJ-2000s but not sure by how much.


Edited by DreamKing - 10/26/11 at 7:07am
post #175 of 440
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Would you suggest it would  be wiser to just save up the extra 150$ or so and get Ultrasone Pro900s or go for a cheaper upgrade and get Denon D2000s? Don't know which are better than which for bass/movies. I heard the D2000s have closer to a subwoofer bass than 990s. I'm guessing both of those phones are a big upgrade from the HDJ-2000s but not sure by how much.


Well when I say headshaker, that doesn't necessarily mean "good" bass... just a lot of it. The HD25-13 and modded HDJ-2000 reach low and give a fairly clean sound. So does the D2000. The XB700 is a bit overwhelming (and XB500 even moreso as it has less control). The Ultrasones hit more on the outer edges of the ear so it's a more visceral feeling rather than simply volume. The DT770pro has an excellent bass response though doesn't quite reach into the 30-40Hz range as cleanly as the others. The DT990 is just louder but not as clean to my ears.

 

For you, just be patient and wait for the Pro900 to go on sale; just a couple weeks ago it was down to $320.

 

post #176 of 440

Has any M80 owner tried out the 1/8 to 1/4" adapter that comes with it? I was trying to do some A/B earlier and when I plugged it into one of my SoundDevices HX-3's 1/4" jacks, they sounded HORRIBLE. Unlistenable. Changing cables didn't help. But when I used the adapter on my HD25-1 II, they sounded fine. Any ideas on why this might be?

 

[UPDATE] Seems like it might be the amp? I just tried using the adapter that the HD25-1 II came with on the M80 and same result. But plugging the M80 right into the HX-3's sole 1/8" jack doesn't raise the issue.


Edited by kenshin27 - 10/26/11 at 10:33pm
post #177 of 440
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Maybe something to do with the ipod controls? I don't recall ever having an issue... but I'll try to remember to try it out tomorrow.

post #178 of 440
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Congrats WhiteCrow welcome to the DT1350 tribe. Expect your membership card in the mail biggrin.gif



I have them right now, I can send them back within 30 days if I don't like them...BUT I DO, BUT THEY ARE SO SPENDY!!!!! AND DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE ME LOVE THEM!

post #179 of 440
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Well when I say headshaker, that doesn't necessarily mean "good" bass... just a lot of it. The HD25-13 and modded HDJ-2000 reach low and give a fairly clean sound. So does the D2000. The XB700 is a bit overwhelming (and XB500 even moreso as it has less control). The Ultrasones hit more on the outer edges of the ear so it's a more visceral feeling rather than simply volume. The DT770pro has an excellent bass response though doesn't quite reach into the 30-40Hz range as cleanly as the others. The DT990 is just louder but not as clean to my ears.

 

For you, just be patient and wait for the Pro900 to go on sale; just a couple weeks ago it was down to $320.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3181&graphID[]=933&graphID[]=2881

 

is it just me or do the Ultrasones look like they rape ears? Those highs seem too excessive to me, iono. If you tried them, how do they sound when watching a movie? and alt rock/edm/hip hop?


Edited by DreamKing - 10/27/11 at 6:07am
post #180 of 440
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Originally Posted by DreamKing View Post

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3181&graphID[]=933&graphID[]=2881

 

is it just me or do the Ultrasones look like they rape ears? Those highs seem too excessive to me, iono. If you tried them, how do they sound when watching a movie? and alt rock/edm/hip hop?


 

It's really no more than a typical grado... besides, you can't fully judge a headphone by its graphs alone. Especially in the case of an ultrasone since their S-Logic directs sound to the outer ear rather than into the ear canal directly.

 

That said, the Pro900 is generally considered very bass and treble heavy, and there are mods to reduce the treble (mostly just a bit of damping and/or covering of vents).

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