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post #6421 of 6723
+1 for cv 4010 nice tubes
I like better the voskhod adding more treble energy keeping the good bass of the Mullards
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+1 for cv 4010 nice tubes
I like better the voskhod adding more treble energy keeping the good bass of the Mullards

My voshkod is on the way, will give them a try once they get here:atsmile:

post #6423 of 6723
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The fazors themselves don't change the efficiency, but the stators are changed as well, so that's what's really changing the efficiency.


 Looking at the diagrams on Tylls review, the fazer is a waveguide.  A wave guide controls dispersion and also makes the mechanical system more efficient like in horns.  Should mean more sound fired to your ear lobes and less off to the cup cavity and then bouncing some more.  less cavity resonance is a good thing.
 

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 Looking at the diagrams on Tylls review, the fazer is a waveguide.  A wave guide controls dispersion and also makes the mechanical system more efficient like in horns.  Should mean more sound fired to your ear lobes and less off to the cup cavity and then bouncing some more.  less cavity resonance is a good thing.

 




That may be true, but there are definitely changes with the stators, which is shown with the change of impedance. I would say the new stators would have a much higher effect on efficiency than the fazors, since the stators are what takes the power from the amp and converts it to the magnetic energy to move the diaphragm.
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That may be true, but there are definitely changes with the stators, which is shown with the change of impedance. I would say the new stators would have a much higher effect on efficiency than the fazors, since the stators are what takes the power from the amp and converts it to the magnetic energy to move the diaphragm.


 A little bit of that and little bit of this and well whaddaya know...more efficiency.  :biggrin:

post #6426 of 6723
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That may be true, but there are definitely changes with the stators, which is shown with the change of impedance. I would say the new stators would have a much higher effect on efficiency than the fazors, since the stators are what takes the power from the amp and converts it to the magnetic energy to move the diaphragm.

 

Stators are defined as the non-moving part, which in PM headphones is the magnets.  They are permanent magnets and not energized by the amp.  The amp drives the circuit (conductive traces on the diaphragm), not the stators. 

 

The improved efficiency probably arrises for a number of reasons (circuit, magnet spacing, diaphragm weight), and likely not just a single parameter.

post #6427 of 6723
Thanks for the clarification! I'm just used to stators taking the signal, like in electrostatic speakers etc. it's interesting that they do it differently with these, and still call them stators.
Edited by fenderf4i - 5/19/14 at 8:20am
post #6428 of 6723

Has anyone been able to compare the soundstage of the LCD-2F with the LCD-X? I remember the LCD-X soundstage being substantially better than the LCD-2.2 and was wondering if the 2F was similar.

post #6429 of 6723

From what I remember about the X's... similar width to my 2.2f's, but with a better center image which can help with depth IMHO.


Edited by jodgey4 - 5/19/14 at 11:02am
post #6430 of 6723

Okay. From my experience, I remember the LCD-X throwing sound out 5-10 feet in some recordings (usually only a couple feet). However, that was with Frank's super awesome WA5.

 

I wouldn't say my LCD-2's soundstage is really any better than my D7000's soundstage. Admittedly, the D7000 has a great soundstage for a closed headphone, but it's still a closed headphone.

post #6431 of 6723
Could someone please compare the LCD-2's soundstage to the Hifman line... more specifically the HE-400 for me? I want to upgrade this summer, but I'm a little concerned after reading that Audeze headphones are so closed-in sounding.

Edit: Since I'm buying used, this may not end up being a Fazor model.
Edited by ToddTheMetalGod - 5/27/14 at 11:12pm
post #6432 of 6723

LCD2's soundstage is about the same size as the HE-400.  However, the LCD2 feels like you're swimming underwater while the HE-400 feels like you're walking on solid ground with air around you.

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LCD2's soundstage is about the same size as the HE-400.  However, the LCD2 feels like you're swimming underwater while the HE-400 feels like you're walking on solid ground with air around you.
So, the LCD2 lacks air, and the imaging is less coherent? If I understood that analogy correctly...
post #6434 of 6723

The imaging is somewhat hazy.

post #6435 of 6723
That's weird, so is it similar to the HD650 in that the soundstage is sort of like grouped together?
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