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post #6226 of 7128
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Originally Posted by sotto123 View Post
 

I own the Beyerdynamic T1 and Senn HD600, so could someone who owns or has heard both of these compare them to the LCD2 Rev 2, please?

I can only comment on the HD600 in comparison to the LCD-2 (Jan 2014 production), as I don't own the T1. That said, here's a breakdown of how I perceive the LCD-2 & the HD600: 

 

 

As one would expected, the tonal balance of the two headphones is simply different. Coming from the HD600 (and the T1 based on what I know of it), the current LCD-2 will initially sound slightly dark. I found it took a bit of time to get used to after being accustomed to the HD600. Once I got acclimated, I actually found the LCD-2 to be the more balanced sounding headphone. Like you, I found the HD600's treble could be a bit too "harsh" with certain recordings (one's choice of amping obviously plays in to this as well...another topic). In my opinion, I find the HD600's treble to be a bit higher in the mix than I prefer. As a result, the LCD-2 is less fatiguing at high volumes. Ultimately, the LCD-2 possesses a sense of fullness that the HD600 can't match; comparatively the HD600 can sound "thin". 

 

Probably one of my favorite aspects of the LCD-2 is how it is very smooth and grainless, while simultaneously being incredibly dynamic. It seems like a bit of a strange dichotomy, but I find it to be one the LCD-2's greatest strengths. Everything sounds effortless and yet it can hit hard when called upon. It is also faster and can gracefully deal with complex passages of music that I've found the HD600 to struggle with. All in all, the LCD-2 is a step up in terms of transparency and dynamics.  

 

A lot of attention has been given to the LCD-2's bass presentation, and it is indeed very impressive, though often for reasons that I didn't anticipate when I purchased the headphone. I would describe it as "reference" sounding, which is rather unsurprising if you look at the virtually straight line response in to the sub-bass frequencies. That is to say, it sounds like it should sound given the recording. It is not a basshead can. However, it does indeed sound a bit bassier than the HD600, due to the slightly higher treble presentation of the HD600 per a given volume level. As I'm sure you're aware, the HD600 also gently rolls off in to the sub-bass, which adds to the perception that the LCD-2 has a stronger bass response.

 

Both cans are very good in the midrange, but the grainless transparency of the Audeze bests the HD600 here as well. It's very impressive. The treble is obviously a contentious point of the LCD-2's sound signature. In my opinion, it's liquid, smooth and effortless, with a nice sense of sparkle. I do not find myself wishing for more "air". That is to say, I generally find it to be close to perfect. That said, I know folks have different impressions on how they want their sound presented. With my WA7, I do use a Moon Audio Silver Dragon cable with the LCD-2, which brightens it a touch (if you believe in the aftermarket cable kool aid).

 

I find the soundstage between the two to be very close in terms of width, with a slight edge going to the Audeze by my ear, though that may be in part due to the LCD-2's greater sense of transparency. The sense/perception of depth is better with the LCD-2. Initially I was disappointed in the imaging of the LCD-2 compared to the HD600, as it was a bit "hazy" when I first received the headphone. Moving to the Silver Dragon cable proved to completely remedy this problem and my LCD-2 now sounds very precise with imaging that is on par with if not slightly better than the HD600...close enough that I'd call it a tie. 

 

Comfort seems to be hit or miss for people when it comes to Audeze products. Thankfully they fit my head very well. While heavier than the HD600, I don't find the LCD-2 to be any less comfortable. I've had 6 hr listening sessions with the LCD-2 and wasn't bothered in the least. Clearly this isn't the case for everyone. I would encourage anyone to demo them somewhere before buying for this reason alone.

 

 

All in all, I find the LCD-2 to best the HD600 on pretty much every level (unsurprising given the price difference), with the caveat that the tonal balance and comfort isn't everyone's cup of tea. The HD600 is a great headphone for the money and I still enjoy it for certain recordings. All this said, I would recommend demoing a pair of LCD-2's if possible  before buying. The new Hifiman HE-560 also might be worth looking in to as well if comfort is a concern. Hope that helps, best of luck.             


Edited by JoelT - 4/12/14 at 4:39pm
post #6227 of 7128

What an excellent post. I really wasn't expecting such an in-depth response. Thank you.

 

That's definitely given me a very good idea of how the two compare.

 

I've been reading up on the differences between the Rev 1 and Rev 2, trying to figure out which version I might prefer. The only thing that worries me is how the soundstage is wider on the Rev 2's, but the vocals and engagement can't be beat on the Rev 1, according to many. I think the T1's have spoiled me in terms of soundstage.

 

Argh, it's never-ending with this hobby.


Edited by sotto123 - 4/12/14 at 5:11pm
post #6228 of 7128

Not a problem. Glad it was of some use.

 

Have you considered just jumping to the LCD-X or the LCD-3? I know it's more money, but it may ultimately be what you're actually after...especially after growing accustomed to the T1's soundstage. Sometimes spending more up front can save you money in the long term if you're going to end up going through more purchase/sales cycles to arrive at the same end point.

post #6229 of 7128
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post
 

Not a problem. Glad it was of some use.

 

Have you considered just jumping to the LCD-X or the LCD-3? I know it's more money, but it may ultimately be what you're actually after...especially after growing accustomed to the T1's soundstage. Sometimes spending more up front can save you money in the long term if you're going to end up going through more purchase/sales cycles to arrive at the same end point.

 

I'm not tempted at the moment. I just can't justify spending that much money on a pair of headphones, particularly as I'll need to spend even more money on a high-end amp. I'm also looking to trade my T1 for LCD2.

So if anyone in Europe wants to trade their LCD-2 for a pair of T1's, you know who to contact :beerchug: 

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Do we have to have a specific model number to have fazors installed on LCD-2's?
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I don't think so, just a production date from my understanding. I believe Audeze's production numbering is non linear.

post #6232 of 7128

Is there a physical characteristic to the headphone, that makes it immediately obvious if you have a fazor model or not?

 


(Mine don't)

post #6233 of 7128
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Is there a physical characteristic to the headphone, that makes it immediately obvious if you have a fazor model or not?

 


(Mine don't)

Touch the driver through the dust filter fabric of the earpad, run your finger across it length-wise (up/down), if you feel /\/\/\/\/\ instead of  -=-=-=-=- then it has Fazors installed, otherwise there are no Fazors installed.

post #6234 of 7128
Hey guys,

Long time head fi reader who recently joined the forums. Just ordered a pair of LCD-2's from Brian at Razordog, they should arrive by the end of the week. Thanks for all of the reviews / impressions, they helped make my buying decision a lot easier... Well, easier for me, maybe not my wallet! beerchug.gif
post #6235 of 7128
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post

I don't think so, just a production date from my understanding. I believe Audeze's production numbering is non linear.

My graph is from 8/30/11. I will email them to see
post #6236 of 7128
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Originally Posted by monkeysixtysix View Post

Hey guys,

Long time head fi reader who recently joined the forums. Just ordered a pair of LCD-2's from Brian at Razordog, they should arrive by the end of the week. Thanks for all of the reviews / impressions, they helped make my buying decision a lot easier... Well, easier for me, maybe not my wallet! beerchug.gif

 

Welcome to head-fi!  Over here, we care about your spinal alignment...so ensuring your wallet is thin when in your back pocket helps with your spinal alignment when sitting.

post #6237 of 7128
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

Do we have to have a specific model number to have fazors installed on LCD-2's?

 

Did I miss something? I thought only the LCD-X / XC had fazors.

post #6238 of 7128
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Originally Posted by Defiant00 View Post
 

 

Did I miss something? I thought only the LCD-X / XC had fazors.


Starting on Dec. 18th of 2013, all models now include Fazor technology.

post #6239 of 7128
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Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post
 


Starting on Dec. 18th of 2013, all models now include Fazor technology.

 

Huh, cool I guess.

 

So is that one of the reasons for the different-looking graphs recently (or do we not know for sure)?

post #6240 of 7128

Tyll at Innerfidelity is supposed to have the full subjective and objective answer up soon on his site... but I personally went through and examined darn near every personalized FR graph posted, and starting after the change, there seems to be more dependable high treble air (10-20kHz), and a bass dip of about 3 dB at 40 hZ, and not as much of the incredible linearity from extreme lows all the way through to 1 or more kHz. On the positive subjective side, there is reported increased soundstage/imaging noted as 'holographic,' and perhaps an increase in detail. FWIW, I've put off my purchase until more reviews comparing the Fazor to non-Fazor are out.

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