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post #6136 of 7128
Adding my graph to the collective, it's a late 2013:

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

I think you missed out what I was saying. 

Rev 2's is when the change to a more efficiently designed driver was made. Slight different to rev 1's. Which I own.

Rev 2's originally had angled wooden connectors like the later batch rev 1's did.

Rev 2.2 covers all LCD2 rev 2's released after early wooden connectors. These had slight different pads and metal angled connectors. Rev 2.2 was a thing made up here on head-fi to distinguish between old wooden connector rev 2's to new metal connector rev 2's.

No such thing as rev 2.3's. But the last few FR graphs from recent owners from late last year to current have a more balanced looking LCD2 - judging from FR only compared to old wooden and very late 2012 to early 2013 metal connector rev 2's.
post #6137 of 7128
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Originally Posted by talmlikeabalm View Post
 

I thought this was an interesting quote from Tyll yesterday,

"The current production LCD-2 sounds different to me than previous version

 

I have no doubt thats true. When I picked up some 2s last Fall, I was very impressed by them and I could tell that the  headphone I was describing was different than what others had heard with previous iterations. I enjoyed them very much. I consider the Xs to be the superior headphone and it has taken my enjoyment of headphone audio well beyond what I ever thought possible, but if I had never heard the Xs I could have been very happy with the 2s. 

post #6138 of 7128

 

 

Just received the LCD-2 yesterday. Coming from the HD-600, it sounds veiled on some tracks, and generally lacks a sense of attack in the upper frequencies that I've become quite used to. It does everything else better than the HD-600 however. It's just sooooo smooth throughout the entire frequency range. Everything it produces feels absolutely effortless. Still on the fence at the moment, but I'm going to give it some time. Admittedly, it's dramatic a change in sound signature, so I'm questioning my own perception. Also, I'm not sure how much burn in impacts the sound. I'm currently running through a Woo Audio WA7 with the upgraded tubes, which may have something to do with it, though I haven't read anything problematic about this combo.   

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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post





Just received the LCD-2 yesterday. Coming from the HD-600, it sounds veiled on some tracks, and generally lacks a sense of attack in the upper frequencies that I've become quite used to. It does everything else better than the HD-600 however. It's just sooooo smooth throughout the entire frequency range. Everything it produces feels absolutely effortless. Still on the fence at the moment, but I'm going to give it some time. Admittedly, it's dramatic a change in sound signature, so I'm questioning my own perception. Also, I'm not sure how much burn in impacts the sound. I'm currently running through a Woo Audio WA7 with the upgraded tubes, which may have something to do with it, though I haven't read anything problematic about this combo.   

Please give time for your ears to adjust. The only thing missing is the grainy treble of the HD 600 which is additive. The treble on the LCD2 is without coloration.
post #6140 of 7128
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Originally Posted by donlin View Post


Please give time for your ears to adjust. The only thing missing is the grainy treble of the HD 600 which is additive. The treble on the LCD2 is without coloration.

Absolutely. I'll give my brain some time to get acclimated. The HD-600 sounds analytical in the highs comparatively, which is not a word I ever thought I would use to describe the 600. The meatier low end of the LCD-2 probably adds to this perception. I also agree with the absolute lack of grain in regards to the LCD-2, it really caught me off guard at first. The LCD also holds complex dynamic music together with grace, the HD-600 could get bogged down and become rather unconvincing with dense passages.     

post #6141 of 7128

Having the LCD-X tour unit for a few days, I decided to do an Audeze family shootout between the 2, 3, and the X – and added the Fostex TH900 for good measure. Using m2man’s $8K plus home setup including his Laptop > Off-Ramp 5 > PWDmkII > Schiit Mjolnir – not to mention a lot of power conditioning – we plugged two in at a time to quickly switch back and forth. With the LCD-X’s lower impedance, it made it harder to volume match, but the results were consistent up and down the volume range as we adjusted the volume.

 

IMO, compared to my LCD2.2, m2man’s LCD3 sound very similar in signature to the LCD2.2 but faster for a little more clarity, extended a little more on top, and a little sweeter especially in the mid frequency range. The LCD-X on the other hand, while retaining the Audeze house sound, seems to have a shifted signature. It feels shifted up in the frequency range and a little faster yet providing even greater clarity than my LCD2.2 or the m2man’s LCD3s. It’s not that the LCD-X is lacking in the bass department either, but the bass seems to be turned down a notch keeping it from getting in the way of the rest of the frequency range. The result is a very realistic sounding sound stage that is even wider and closer to being there. However, to me the LCD-X is all about the mids - the have sweeter sounding mids than I have ever heard before while integrating seamlessly into the rest of the frequency range. The Fostex TH900 is a very nice sounding headphone, but IMO the LCD-X was the clear winner. In fact, both m2man and I felt that the LCD-X swept the shootout easily.

 

As an added point of interest, I happened to have the X5 DAP tour unit at the same time so we took a listen on it as well. While using a DAP is an obvious step down from a good desktop setup, it is nice to be able to listen to quality sound without being chained to the desktop. The short of it is that the LCD-X scales down extraordinarily well providing a sound quality far closer to the m2man’s desktop sound that any other in the lineup. While this bodes well for the LCD-X, it also speaks to how high quality and authoritative of a sound that the X5 really puts out. I was quite impressed with the X5 and will be getting on at their launch. Scaling down is an often overlooked value point for a headphone, but one that is of particular importance for the LCD-X. For anyone interested in more details with the X5, you can find my X5 review with headphone pairings at:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/fiio-x5-high-res-portable-music-player/reviews/10579

 

NOTE: As much as it pains my heart to send away these headphones, they are being sent out today to claybum who is next on the tour.

post #6142 of 7128

Great comparison, mate! Thanks!

post #6143 of 7128
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post

Absolutely. I'll give my brain some time to get acclimated. The HD-600 sounds analytical in the highs comparatively, which is not a word I ever thought I would use to describe the 600. The meatier low end of the LCD-2 probably adds to this perception. I also agree with the absolute lack of grain in regards to the LCD-2, it really caught me off guard at first. The LCD also holds complex dynamic music together with grace, the HD-600 could get bogged down and become rather unconvincing with dense passages.     

I'm HD600/Crack owner and am demoing the LCD-Xs. I thought the same, veiled. After spending a few days with them my hears/brain adjusted. They really are amazing.
post #6144 of 7128

I am re-acquainting myself with EQ lately and starting to use it as a listening device and not just as a diagnostic tool.  Here are some curves I thought were interesting.

 

 

My LCD2s now sound like an imporved Grado!  Rolling off the subbass aggressively is necessary for the Grado sound...it leaves the speedy bass as a point of focus...I dipped the 500hz bar to remove any trace of the 'flat' ortho sound.  Great for low level listening and listening to fast bass grooves...its a V curve...akin to a loudness button for low listening levels...but this curve has a Grado focus.

 

 

Now this is an improved HD650...I find interrupting the flatness of the LCD2 is the way to go for removing that planar sound...speaking of which...

 

 

Ahhh...the perfect curve for listening at low levels...whilst maintaining that planar smoothness.  This rally brings out the low level detail that get obscured under low volumes.

 

Its incredible how articulate and resolving the LCD2s are all the way up to the 4khz bars.  The last two bars are problematic to the LCD2s if they are peaked.  Between 4 and 8 khz is some kind of a barrier...it emphasizing sibilance and 'sh' sounds become a problem.  The 8khz slider is problematic to my hearing when peaked even a little...this is where the HD800 peaks...I personally have something in my ear resonances that does not like boost at 8khz.

 

I've been using the last curve on my LCD2s a lot lately and can imagine that this is where the LCD-X is headed.  But if I had a choice to upgrade the LCD2, I will go for the LCD3s.  This is because at reference levels...this curve will fatigue.  For me once the best reference can be established...which means a curve that more closely follows the new Harmon curves...an EQ can then be implemented for non referencing purposes, such as low level listening.

post #6145 of 7128
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

I am re-acquainting myself with EQ lately and starting to use it as a listening device and not just as a diagnostic tool.  

 

What program were you using here?

post #6146 of 7128
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post

 

The difficulty lies with most people here referring to the LCD2 Revision 2 (LCD2.2), as LCD-2 Revision 2.2 (as they are confused by the Revision 2 being labelled an LCD2.2).  Most people on HeadFi saying "Revision 2.2" don't mean "Revision 2.2" at all, they mean Version 2.2 (which is actually an LCD-2, Revision 2).

Revision 2 Version 2 is what I've been trying to say the whole time. Nobody on head-fi has once called rev 2.2 rev 2 rev 2. lol ;)

post #6147 of 7128
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

Revision 2 Version 2 is what I've been trying to say the whole time. Nobody on head-fi has once called rev 2.2 rev 2 rev 2. lol ;)

 

LOL - wrong, I just did !  :wink_face:

 

Whilst I was saying "LCD-2 Rev 2 Rev 2" as a joke, it really does have a nice ring to it ... from this day forth, I think this is what I will call the metal connector versions ... 

 

Actually, I like your way better as it reverses the "rev" in revision to be "ver" in version - a neat mirror image.  "LCD-2 Revision 2 Version 2 - The Trebles Trikes Back".  


Edited by NinjaHamster - 3/2/14 at 4:24pm
post #6148 of 7128

LOL :D

post #6149 of 7128
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post

Maybe I'm loosing it, but your graph certainly seems to have a stronger response in the 10khz region than most of the earlier graphs I've seen folks showing. More air/sparkle?

I noticed Tyll's comment the other day as well and it made me a bit nervous, as I had literally just placed an order for a bamboo LCD-2 directly from Audeze. The cans will be showing up tomorrow...definitely interested in seeing what the graph looks like; more interested in listening to them! 

Just took a look at my graph from a pair of late 2013 LCD-2's, and it also has the slight bump at 10khz, which seems a bit different than some of the earliest graphs posted.


Edited by nicdub - 3/3/14 at 6:58am
post #6150 of 7128
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post
 

 

What program were you using here?

 

That was the control panel for my Asus DGX soundcard...I pipe the digital output to my DIY dac.  I much prefer EasyQ over JRmedia...but those have to always be set and is not global for youtube etc, whereas the Asus control panel controls all the sound from the PC.  I originally got the soundcard to muck around with Dolby HP...which is fantastic for youtube!

 

With digital EQ I found it necessary to reduce the sub-gain to 75 percent and set the bit depth to 24 bits...I don't hear anything wonky being introduced by the Asus EQ, after I reset the options and it set the sub gain to 75 percent.  Before this I had it at 100 percent and the inbuilt clip limiter would go off making the sound wobble and I blamed the EQ, silly me.

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