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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

I'm listening to some beethoven...and I can't even test the peaks when the drums kick in and there is meant to be a lot of energy in the sound...my XcanV3 can't even juice it properly.  Those peaks are supposed to be like the gods of thunder coming down around the joint...this calls for MOAR POWER.

I have a xcan v3 also,
If I get the Lyr and put the valvo e188cc into the schiit will it make a difference for lcd2?
or its a worthless upgrade
Edited by TontonJoK - 2/4/14 at 12:32pm
post #6002 of 7128

I've never heard the lyr so can't comment too much, other than it should have the grunt to drive the LCD2s enough scare off the gods of thunder.  Although with all the "Audeze releases faulty products to unsuspecting consumers" chat going around...I'm inclined to recommend a solid state amplifier.

 

 

Now with my rant about these audiophile recordings.  But first, I just got up from bed and had my cup of coffee and listening to the LCD2s...not a single track I can find that sounds too dull - every track is at least very extended in treble and very balanced - even the ones I suspect are a bit dull for the LCD2s - my hearing is superb in this fresh in the morning - yet to engage the world - state.

 

Back to audiophile recordings.  I have noticed many that just do not seem to work on the LCD2s.  Now I love rock n roll music...but have found that many of these specialist recordings are indeed "dryer" - that is the term pro-audio uses when the reverb - or ambient cues, I like to call them are not as present.

 

These are the only times I notice the LCD2s sound unnatural (not in the morning - they're plenty ambient then) - these same recordings (all of my ones are, I just checked) also contain unnatural channel separation on headphones.  For me, referencing listening whilst inside the group playing...even these recordings come off extremely unnatural.

 

The combination sounds wrong on headphones...the LCD2 is no different, and so they should sound unnatural - there is zero centre staging.  That is because these recordings are targeted for a certain playback system - pushed by the hi-fi industry.  These recordings will sound great on your typical bookshelf speaker.  They rely on the room ambiance of the speaker system to complete the sonic picture - and ultimately soundstaging would sound proper on speakers.

 

That's because these guys don't care for your headphones.  Any headphones that present a coherent centre stage with these recordings - without advanced crossfeed algorithms - is ultimately altering what is recorded - and is not transparent to the recording.

 

Now, compare this to good general consumer recordings - Eric Clapton, Michael Jackson, Guns'n'roses - you name it.  I have yet come across these that present such a dearth in centre staging.  These are recorded with more natural ambient cues that come across very well on the LCD2s - off course, these are manufactured reverbs...but then again in all honesty, I can hear the big budget nature of these recordings.  They're like big budget movies - lots of effects, but look great in HD - as do these popular artists on the LCD2s.  Audiophile rock always sound low budget to me.  But these big budget recordings care about your headphone experience.

 

I just listened to the Gunners "November Rain" - now everyone knows this track, otherwise, you really are very old - its a classic now.  It sounds just amazing on the LCD2s, why anyone would want it to sound brighter is beyond me.  Seriously, I am truly starting to believe that if you want more treble here - it must be hearing damage.

 

On the Subject of rock music - I MISS MY GUITAR SOLO'S IN POPULAR MUSIC.  Guns'n'Roses was the peak of Rock.  Kurt Cobain didn't just kill himself, he killed rock'n'roll.  Many jumped to techno and hip hop for those the fun times in that era.  Now if Kurt killed rock'n'roll........Eminem buried it.  And now, I think today's music is a mix-n-mash of all the fun genres of the past - hey, I don't mind - music is music...its coming on nearly 2 decades that Pink has ruled the charts for...think about that for a little while.

 

But where's my electric guitar solo's?  :frown: 


Edited by SP Wild - 2/4/14 at 2:15pm
post #6003 of 7128
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

I've never heard the lyr so can't comment too much, other than it should have the grunt to drive the LCD2s enough scare off the gods of thunder.  Although with all the "Audeze releases faulty products to unsuspecting consumers" chat going around...I'm inclined to recommend a solid state amplifier.

 

 

Now with my rant about these audiophile recordings.  But first, I just got up from bed and had my cup of coffee and listening to the LCD2s...not a single track I can find that sounds too dull - every track is at least very extended in treble and very balanced - even the ones I suspect are a bit dull for the LCD2s - my hearing is superb in this fresh in the morning - yet to engage the world - state.

 

Back to audiophile recordings.  I have noticed many that just do not seem to work on the LCD2s.  Now I love rock n roll music...but have found that many of these specialist recordings are indeed "dryer" - that is the term pro-audio uses when the reverb - or ambient cues, I like to call them are not as present.

 

These are the only times I notice the LCD2s sound unnatural (not in the morning - they're plenty ambient then) - these same recordings (all of my ones are, I just checked) also contain unnatural channel separation on headphones.  For me, referencing listening whilst inside the group playing...even these recordings come off extremely unnatural.

 

The combination sounds wrong on headphones...the LCD2 is no different, and so they should sound unnatural - there is zero centre staging.  That is because these recordings are targeted for a certain playback system - pushed by the hi-fi industry.  These recordings will sound great on your typical bookshelf speaker.  They rely on the room ambiance of the speaker system to complete the sonic picture - and ultimately soundstaging would sound proper on speakers.

 

That's because these guys don't care for your headphones.  Any headphones that present a coherent centre stage with these recordings - without advanced crossfeed algorithms - is ultimately altering what is recorded - and is not transparent to the recording.

 

Now, compare this to good general consumer recordings - Eric Clapton, Michael Jackson, Guns'n'roses - you name it.  I have yet come across these that present such a dearth in centre staging.  These are recorded with more natural ambient cues that come across very well on the LCD2s - off course, these are manufactured reverbs...but then again in all honesty, I can hear the big budget nature of these recordings.  They're like big budget movies - lots of effects, but look great in HD - as do these popular artists on the LCD2s.  Audiophile rock always sound low budget to me.  But these big budget recordings care about your headphone experience.

 

I just listened to the Gunners "November Rain" - now everyone knows this track, otherwise, you really are very old - its a classic now.  It sounds just amazing on the LCD2s, why anyone would want it to sound brighter is beyond me.  Seriously, I am truly starting to believe that if you want more treble here - it must be hearing damage.

 

On the Subject of rock music - I MISS MY GUITAR SOLO'S IN POPULAR MUSIC.  Guns'n'Roses was the peak of Rock.  Kurt Cobain didn't just kill himself, he killed rock'n'roll.  Many jumped to techno and hip hop for those the fun times in that era.  Now if Kurt killed rock'n'roll........Eminem buried it.  And now, I think today's music is a mix-n-mash of all the fun genres of the past - hey, I don't mind - music is music...its coming on nearly 2 decades that Pink has ruled the charts for...think about that for a little while.

 

But where's my electric guitar solo's?  :frown: 


Look to Joe Bonamassa for those :p 

post #6004 of 7128
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Originally Posted by TontonJoK View Post


I have a xcan v3 also,
If I get the Lyr and put the valvo e188cc into the schiit will it make a difference for lcd2?
or its a worthless upgrade


the more power you can get to the lcd2 the better

the lyr is very, very good, the mjolnir is better

i actually preferred the lyr to the soloist

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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post
 

Well Melbourne has A2A I think they have a lot  of Stax models to audition

 

Srs question though, what headphones pair really well with EDM well

Im enjoying HE-500 a fair bit, but always looking for a nicer replacement - it's lacking some air

LCD-2 seems a bit rolled up at top too, so not sure thats a good option either

 

The most consistent and pleasing experience I've had with EDM was through LCD-2.2. Even over the HE-500 and LCD-3.

post #6006 of 7128
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Originally Posted by TontonJoK View Post

Ok
The plugs (in the cups) are blacks and angled so I guess it's rev 3

I checked to find the differences and it seems to be no changes on the drivers just cosmetics (black angled jack)
Bamboo vs rosewood is also a big question, lots of people on HF say the only differences are the weight and the color of the wood

Never heard rosewoods , they look nice !
 
There are no driver changes to the rev 2 vs rev 3, the only difference that would change sound quality would be the earpads on the rev 3, which are very similar to those used in the LCD-3. They are more plush and larger than the old rev 2 pads. Audeze does not consider the new LCD-2's to be a true "rev 3" because there was no change to the driver design.
 

 

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Although with all the "Audeze releases faulty products to unsuspecting consumers" chat going around...I'm inclined to recommend a solid state amplifier.

 

 

Did you mean Schiit, or is there actually a conversation about Audeze making faulty products?

 

 

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

From what I understand, no.  However investing on such an amp might be questionable if you want to try other dynamics - when it does matter.

 

 

Is it correct to say that planar magnetics are unaffected by different damping factors? I know that they have a flat impedance curve, but wouldn't a higher damping factor better control the drivers and give a better impulse response/waterfall even if it doesn't affect the frequency response?

post #6007 of 7128
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Originally Posted by Taowolf51 View Post
 

 

Did you mean Schiit, or is there actually a conversation about Audeze making faulty products?

 

 

 

Is it correct to say that planar magnetics are unaffected by different damping factors? I know that they have a flat impedance curve, but wouldn't a higher damping factor better control the drivers and give a better impulse response/waterfall even if it doesn't affect the frequency response?

 

I meant the blanket statements when the LCD2 is brought up...they can't image, they are bad etc etc...the opposite is true - I've had these things throw wider stages than the HD800 - particularly in the midrange.  I prefer the LCD2 imaging over the HD800 imaging.  I can locate an instrument with the LCD2, I estimate the location when thrown an artificial stage like the HD800.

 

I don't think anyone has done a controlled experiment with planars, damping factors and impulse/waterfall.  I don't know.  Electrical engineers seem to indicate damping factor is less of an issue with planars.

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

I meant the blanket statements when the LCD2 is brought up...they can't image, they are bad etc etc...the opposite is true - I've had these things throw wider stages than the HD800 - particularly in the midrange.  I prefer the LCD2 imaging over the HD800 imaging.  I can locate an instrument with the LCD2, I estimate the location when thrown an artificial stage like the HD800.

 

I don't think anyone has done a controlled experiment with planars, damping factors and impulse/waterfall.  I don't know.  Electrical engineers seem to indicate damping factor is less of an issue with planars.

 

Well, anyone who says that hasn't heard the LCD-X, the soundstage and imaging on that headphone is really impressive.

 

And I would agree with you, while I haven't heard super wide soundstages on it yet, the imaging is pretty focused.

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Get a dac and amp with good channel separation and midrange resolve and the LCD2s stage is big...volumetrically no less than the stage of the HD800 but more true to the recording.

post #6010 of 7128
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

I meant the blanket statements when the LCD2 is brought up...they can't image, they are bad etc etc...the opposite is true - I've had these things throw wider stages than the HD800 - particularly in the midrange.  I prefer the LCD2 imaging over the HD800 imaging.  I can locate an instrument with the LCD2, I estimate the location when thrown an artificial stage like the HD800.

 

I don't think anyone has done a controlled experiment with planars, damping factors and impulse/waterfall.  I don't know.  Electrical engineers seem to indicate damping factor is less of an issue with planars.

Very interesting comment, especially as someone interested in buying the LCD2, but has concerns surrounding the nature of the soundstage/imaging. You're right, most of the recent forum chatter has held it up as a negative aspect of the headphone. As someone who isn't able to listen to a pair before buying, it's really difficult to sift through the forum "noise" sometimes. Coming from the HD600 I suspect I'd be quite happy with the LCD2.   

post #6011 of 7128
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post
 


the more power you can get to the lcd2 the better

the lyr is very, very good, the mjolnir is better

i actually preferred the lyr to the soloist

I actually preferred the Lyr (with good tubes of course) to the Mjolnir - however, you're right, I'm sure most people would prefer the Mjolnir.

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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post

I actually preferred the Lyr (with good tubes of course) to the Mjolnir - however, you're right, I'm sure most people would prefer the Mjolnir.
Of course I'm only speaking of my preference,
Ive sold the lcd2, and I now have the LCD x, my lyr is at schiit right now having some work done, I have a hunch I'll like it more than the mjo with the X
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post


Of course I'm only speaking of my preference,
Ive sold the lcd2, and I now have the LCD x, my lyr is at schiit right now having some work done, I have a hunch I'll like it more than the mjo with the X

Yes.  It will be interesting to hear what you think of the Mjo with the LCD-X (I've never heard the X) - maybe it will be a little too "bright" ?  Let us know what you think.

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my wallet is not happy to report that i just ordered an LCD-2 :(.

 

as for me... i can't freaking wait! 

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Apo equalizer is a very nice tweak to EQ the sound !!

You set it with a .txt log (easy) and it's done

There is no program popping up or anything

It works great on u tubes videos, adding some bass slams
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