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post #5401 of 6262

I don't think they're dark, but warm.  Mid-focused.  Something like the Denons or any other bass heavy headphone I'd consider dark.

post #5402 of 6262
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Originally Posted by gevorg View Post

How dark sounding are LCD-2, and are there any factors that affect it, more or less?

For anyone who heard at least one of these below, how LCD-2 compares in terms of "darkness" of sound:

Sennheiser HD-600/650
Denon D5000/7000

 

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I don't think they're dark, but warm.  Mid-focused.  Something like the Denons or any other bass heavy headphone I'd consider dark.

 

Denons dark? No way! Dark sounding has no correlation to open/closed form factor of the headphone itself.

 

Dark, veiled, laid back sounding are all the same thing just different terminology use, the LCD2's are laid back/dark sounding and definitely not forward/bright sounding like your Grado or HD800. 

 

The HD650 is warmer sounding than the LCD2 rev.2's. HD600 is neutral with a slight emphasis on the upper mids, much more neutral than both the 650 and LCD2's to these ears. But the LCD2's do hit the low octaves very nicely.

post #5403 of 6262

Where did you get open/closed from?  Denons have way more bass than the LCD2 and are  darker sounding in my book.  LCD2 sound is more akin to the HD650, which I'd consider warm as well.


Edited by TMRaven - 9/29/13 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Where did you get open/closed from?  Denons have way more bass than the LCD2 and are  darker sounding in my book.  LCD2 sound is more akin to the HD650, which I'd consider warm as well.

 

More mid bass yes, not more sub-bass. In relation to the D2 and D5k FR that I've seen I would not call the Denons more darker sounding at all compared to any of the LCD2 revisions, Pro 2900 is something I'd call dark with a bit peaky treble thanks to the Pro-Logic crap.

 

Again depends on which HD650 you're talking about and which revision LCD2's, pre-2006/7 HD650 units had the black felt drivers, these are veiled sounding compared to the white/grey felt drivers.

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My only experience with the 650s were the silver ones, which I heard to be more balanced.  I'd consider them pretty mid-focused like the LCD2, although the HD650 does have a mid-bass hump whereas the LCD2 is linear.

 

In terms of having a downward sloping FR, yes they could be considered dark, but there's just so many bass boosted headphones out there where the bass is the dominating aspect of their signature, that it can make LCD2 and HD650 sound brighter and/or thin coming off them in comparison.  I remember comparing D2000 and HD650 and I was really surprised at how aggressive and bright sounding the HD650 sounded coming off the D2000.  That's just what having a largely emphasized bass does.

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Originally Posted by gevorg View Post

How dark sounding are LCD-2, and are there any factors that affect it, more or less?

For anyone who heard at least one of these below, how LCD-2 compares in terms of "darkness" of sound:

Sennheiser HD-600/650
Denon D5000/7000

 

Denons have more bass and more treble, less mids (distant compared to the LCD-2)

HD650 has more upfront mids, but rolled off bass compared to the LCD-2 although it has a strong mid-bass hump.

 

LCD-2 has much faster transient response than both. I don't find the latest LCD-2 that dark, My bamboo version from this year is only slightly dark of neutral for me, it's only a half a step behind the HE-500 in terms of neutrality. But it might also be that my LCD-2 is a Super-LCD-2.

 


Edited by M-13 - 9/29/13 at 8:24pm
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Denons have more bass and more treble, less mids (distant compared to the LCD-2)

HD650 has more upfront mids, but rolled off bass compared to the LCD-2 although it has a strong mid-bass hump.

 

LCD-2 has much faster transient response than both. I don't find the latest LCD-2 that dark, My bamboo version from this year is only slightly dark of neutral for me, it's only a half a step behind the HE-500 in terms of neutrality. But it might also be that my LCD-2 is a Super-LCD-2.

 

 

Hey,

 

Mine we quite rolled off up to (r1's), but the bass/mids on mine were fantastic.

 

post #5408 of 6262

The mids indeed is like the sex with the rev.1's. With some basic mods (seriously) I've come up with they outshine the rev.2's in area's Audeze's are weak at, the treble range and dominating bass.

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

The mids indeed is like the sex with the rev.1's. With some basic mods (seriously) I've come up with they outshine the rev.2's in area's Audeze's are weak at, the treble range and dominating bass.

 

Agreed.

I am not sure about the mods.  I have sold my r1's (regret face), however I ran them with a Silver Dragon Cable and they really were something.

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What are the biggest weaknesses of LCD-2 soundwise? (not talking about possible comform issues).

I have these headphones for many months and love them for some kinds of music, especially vocal, pop, R&B, but they are quite unsuitable for me when it comes to electronic music (too closed sounding, no air, and they could benefit from more pronounced highs as well as greater speed and energy). For rock they are quite good, although sometimes not 'aggressive' enough.

 

I am very curious about your opinions. What do you miss the most in LCD-2's sound?


Edited by korzena - 10/2/13 at 12:06pm
post #5411 of 6262

extended highs. what the lcd-3 fixes (to a certain degree)

post #5412 of 6262
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Originally Posted by korzena View Post
 

What are the biggest weaknesses of LCD-2 soundwise? (not talking about possible comform issues).

I have these headphones for many months and love them for some kinds of music, especially vocal, pop, R&B, but they are quite unsuitable for me when it comes to electronic music (too closed sounding, no air, and they could benefit from more pronounced highs as well as greater speed and energy). For rock they are quite good, although sometimes not 'aggressive' enough.

 

I am very curious about your opinions. What do you miss the most in LCD-2's sound?

 

Two big weaknesses of all the LCD's is the treble and soundstage, even though the LCD3 has improved a bit on these areas it still isn't what I'd consider on par with some of the other neutral performers out there in this area.

post #5413 of 6262
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Originally Posted by stainless824 View Post
 

extended highs. what the lcd-3 fixes (to a certain degree)

 

LCD3 has 'extended highs' alright ;)

 

post #5414 of 6262
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LCD3 has 'extended highs' alright wink.gif

Right on. To my ears, my LCD 3 has extended highs, is less dark and more neutral than my 2.2. YMMV, I guess.
post #5415 of 6262

Interesting review of LCD3's in 6Moons.  I just skimmed it but I got from it that he's not as in love with the 3's but rather the LCD2.

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