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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

Yes really, I say this even to those people who say HD800 has better bass quality.  

Well the LCD2's have more meat and texture on the lows, the HD800's bass is of better quality, it is more round, smooth and natural sounding. What I was actually saying not really too, is comparing the bass to Stax earspeakers. Sure a bigger drop but the the coherency and fastly rendered bass of the Stax stat's is imo "beast".

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

Looking back, MAD Ear+HD and Meier Concerto for amps (heard them on a 3 channel B22 a few times) and my DAC was the PS Audio DLIII playing mostly CDs through my CDP. I wholly expected to hate the LCD-2s when I ordered them as some made comparisons between the two. But I was enthralled by the Audeze naturalness and bass like no other. There was no mid-bass hump that was cumbersome and while pushed back, the treble was very well extended. 

So not exactly low nor mid-fi that's pretty high end for it's time back then. Guess the HD650's sound is just not for you.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

Charts help. When used in conjunction with first hand experiences can really illuminate. They keep us honest. Like Feynman said, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool."

Awesome quote, going in my sig :)

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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

 

 

So not exactly low nor mid-fi that's pretty high end for it's time back then. Guess the HD650's sound is just not for you.

Awesome quote, going in my sig :)

Next to Einstein, Richard Feynman was my favourite 20th century scientist. Brilliant about science and the human condition. smile.gif

post #4998 of 6296
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Ok man, no need to repeat it twice. lol

 

With the LCD2's you want either SPC (silver plated copper), silver with gold (alloys) or just plain pure silver. I don't recommend copper it really mush's up the sound due to the warm and bassy nature of copper. I use Crystal Piccolino, one of the best headphone cables you can buy. Comes at a price though, which is why I made mine since I'm such a genius. rolleyes.gif

 

 

I have a silver plated cable and the lcd-2's have been transformed. This is no joke, like he said the sound is very separated especially after some hours of use. The bass is never ever over powering, but just solid with all the slam you could ever want. This is good stuff indeed!!


Edited by Ampeezy - 5/1/13 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I liked the HD600s more and had I bought them, I would have kept them much longer. But you're right 2008, pickings were slim.

 

So basically technology only recently caught up to your demand for headphones since then? LOL

 

2008 was better, it was easier to pick the good gear because we had brand camps, and pretty much the flagship of all of them are good and everybody had a grand ol' time trying to convince each other theirs was better even though they were all pretty balanced in different ways. Now we have orthos vs HD800, while HD650/HD600 and DT880 are just mid-tier solely because of their pricepoints which if you go back and revisit them and gave them an honest listen, you'd probably do alright.

 

In 2008 I would have never thought my gear would have evolved the way it did.. nor would I become an MOT haha.

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Next to Einstein, Richard Feynman was my favourite 20th century scientist. Brilliant about science and the human condition. smile.gif

have you read his autobiography its really good?

 

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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

have you read his autobiography its really good?

 

I have...he was a very special man!

 

BTW, to bring this thread back on topic...LCD-2s + Macedonian folk music = winner! smile.gif

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Hmm, just for kicks today I tried my LCD-2s with my newly acquired Fiio E12, and I've got to say that's it's sounding pretty good, the E12 does a pretty darn good job at powering them, probably on par to an O2, a nice clean boost that doesn't particularly colour the sound, AWESOME!

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Originally Posted by Noobmachine View Post

Hmm, just for kicks today I tried my LCD-2s with my newly acquired Fiio E12, and I've got to say that's it's sounding pretty good, the E12 does a pretty darn good job at powering them, probably on par to an O2, a nice clean boost that doesn't particularly colour the sound, AWESOME!

Sorry, but if the E12 and O2 are the only amps you've heard with the LCD-2s, you're missing quite a bit more that they can offer. As happy as you are now, these babies still have more to offer.

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I've heard them off various amps and receivers, and they sound very much the same with minor improvement here and there. I'd be wary of over exaggerations.

It's like people want to make others feel bad for only being able to afford 'entry' level equipment here.

The LCD2 is VERY enjoyable off minimal equipment. If you wanna spend a $1000 for an amp that gives not even 10% improvement, that's on you, but don't brag to those who own lesser equipment, as if to make them feel bad that they can't afford to splurge on more.

I'm betting the LCD2 sounds stellar off the E12 and O2. To those who hook them up to those, enjoy them. Don't let anyone else make you rethink your purchases. That's how expectation bias, and justification of purchases happen.

I downgraded my amp, and enjoy my C2 as much as what I owned before it.

Instead of the typical:

"You haven't heard the LCD2 until you try it with X amp"

It should be:

"You haven't heard the last few percentages until you try it with X amp"
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/3/13 at 8:28pm
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^^ Very true. My aha-120 probably only adds 5 maybe 10 percent sq improvement tops to my lcd after being pre amped by my rane mixer. Sometimes that last 10% makes all the difference, sometimes you would be better off taking that money and putting it on a dif. headphone. All very subjective though imo. 


Edited by jibzilla - 5/3/13 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I've heard them off various amps and receivers, and they sound very much the same with minor improvement here and there. I'd be wary of over exaggerations.

It's like people want to make others feel bad for only being able to afford 'entry' level equipment here.

The LCD2 is VERY enjoyable off minimal equipment. If you wanna spend a $1000 for an amp that gives not even 10% improvement, that's on you, but don't brag to those who own lesser equipment, as if to make them feel bad that they can't afford to splurge on more.

I'm betting the LCD2 sounds stellar off the E12 and O2. To those who hook them up to those, enjoy them. Don't let anyone else make you rethink your purchases. That's how expectation bias, and justification of purchases happen.

I downgraded my amp, and enjoy my C2 as much as what I owned before it.

Instead of the typical:

"You haven't heard the LCD2 until you try it with X amp"

It should be:

"You haven't heard the last few percentages until you try it with X amp"

 

I would love to see different amps put under cardboard boxes with only the headphone visible.  All the volume pots would be already level matched.  Then have a sheet of paper with maybe 20 or more amps from all price ranges listed and the person would list which amp was under each box.  I would love to see the results of that.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Sorry, but if the E12 and O2 are the only amps you've heard with the LCD-2s, you're missing quite a bit more that they can offer. As happy as you are now, these babies still have more to offer.

I do usually run them out of a Pan Am amp and I've auditioned the Soloist, so I can say that , at least to my ears, the jump in dimensionality and tightness of the sound from the O2 and Soloist isn't honestly worth the $800 more money, but then again I only auditioned it for like 30 mins, maybe a longer listen would allow me to appreciate the finer details these "big dog" amps bring out, but as a student I do worry about my wallet :P I'm quite aware of what these babies have to offer but as of now, running them at 70% potential is as much as my wallet can handle :) 

 

To my ears the LCD-2s are basically audio nirvana, and I doubt that a change in amp from what I already own is going to make me love them more than I already do ;)

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I've heard them off various amps and receivers, and they sound very much the same with minor improvement here and there. I'd be wary of over exaggerations.

It's like people want to make others feel bad for only being able to afford 'entry' level equipment here.

The LCD2 is VERY enjoyable off minimal equipment. If you wanna spend a $1000 for an amp that gives not even 10% improvement, that's on you, but don't brag to those who own lesser equipment, as if to make them feel bad that they can't afford to splurge on more.

I'm betting the LCD2 sounds stellar off the E12 and O2. To those who hook them up to those, enjoy them. Don't let anyone else make you rethink your purchases. That's how expectation bias, and justification of purchases happen.

I downgraded my amp, and enjoy my C2 as much as what I owned before it.

Instead of the typical:

"You haven't heard the LCD2 until you try it with X amp"

It should be:

"You haven't heard the last few percentages until you try it with X amp"

This whole hobby glorifies the act of self-justification.

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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

I would love to see different amps put under cardboard boxes with only the headphone visible.  All the volume pots would be already level matched.  Then have a sheet of paper with maybe 20 or more amps from all price ranges listed and the person would list which amp was under each box.  I would love to see the results of that.

Willing to bet that the jump from on SS amp to another will be too hard to discern with any real accuracy. This is why just looking at the amp youre using leads one to believe it's better than a lesser amp. If there was no way to tell which amp is which other than with sound, there would be a whole lot of failure.

Expectation bias and justifying the expense of 'better' amps makes more of a difference than the actual sound quality differences.

I'm speaking of headphones like the LCD2 which sounds great off everything. Harder to drive headphones would be a little better at comparing amps. Like the single digit Hifimans which aren't easy to drive whatsoever. Or those known to scale like the HD650 and K70x.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


This is why just looking at the amp youre using leads one to believe it's better than a lesser amp. If there was no way to tell which amp is which other than with sound, there would be a whole lot of failure.

Expectation bias and justifying the expense of 'better' amps makes more of a difference than the actual sound quality differences.
 

 

 

yeah but im a guy, i like shiny new hardware and new toys.

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