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Makes me remember the times when I use lurk h-fi back in 2004 where everyone then was packing Cmoy mints and Pimeta's with the older Grado's and CD players with some luckily owning mp3 players. How times have changed.

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That's been my experience... but with the LCD-2. It's great when the volume is cranked. At the low to moderate levels I listen at the LCD-2 is dynamically flat, with a homogenous presentation. Dull. Lifeless. Overweight.

I would say the HD650s have flabby, uncontrolled bass, too much mid bass and treble that falls of a cliff. While it's pushed back on the LCD-2s, it's off a cliff on the HD650s. I wouldn't pay $100 for the HD650s. Thankfully Sennheiser came out with the HD800s.

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I liked the HD600s more and had I bought them, I would have kept them much longer. But you're right 2008, pickings were slim.

 

If dominating the dynamic headphone market for over a decade doesn't qualify for legendary status, not sure what would. Assuming the HD600/HD650 can be considered as one, or close brothers.

 

In terms of technicalities against modern competition. Yeah... they show their age sure, but I still hear what was and is special about them. Some grain? Sure. Some roll off? Sure, Slow driver speed? Sure. but I still see the magic in them.

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I would say the HD650s have flabby, uncontrolled bass, too much mid bass and treble that falls of a cliff. While it's pushed back on the LCD-2s, it's off a cliff on the HD650s. I wouldn't pay $100 for the HD650s. Thankfully Sennheiser came out with the HD800s.

Curious though but at the time when you owned the 650's what was the rest of the setup?

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If dominating the dynamic headphone market for over a decade doesn't qualify for legendary status, not sure what would. Assuming the HD600/HD650 can be considered as one, or close brothers.

 

In terms of technicalities against modern competition. Yeah... they show their age sure, but I still hear what was and is special about them. Some grain? Sure. Some roll off? Sure, Slow driver speed? Sure. but I still see the magic in them.

 

The HD600s are quite good and I think they were the better option...but maybe we can carry this discussion on the HD650 thread? smile.gif

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The HD600s are quite good and I think they were the better option...but maybe we can carry this discussion on the HD650 thread? smile.gif

wink.gif Good point sir. But I'm done with my rant. Nothing really talk about. I guess I have an unusual love for the HD650s. Funny that I sold them and still fighting for them on the boards. Hypocrite!

 

I need to rebuy them... so I can continue my shrill ranting without a guilt trip.

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I don't find the HD650's bass uncontrolled. And I do like that mid-bass colouration. Perhaps that helps retain the texture and dynamics at quieter levels and why I can listen to it for so long and still be engaged.

And yes, the HD800 is rad. Differences in FR aside, people looking to move up from the HD650 should skip the sojourn with LCD-2 and go the HD800 IMO. Yes the HD800 is incisive and crystalline against the enveloping warmth of the HD650, but for me they share an almost undefinable trait that presents music in a very compelling way, with few distractions.
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LCD2's bass tends to make a lot of headphone's bass seem uncontrolled.  

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LCD2's bass tends to make a lot of headphone's bass seem uncontrolled.  

Not really.

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LCD2's bass tends to make a lot of headphone's bass seem uncontrolled.  

So very true.

 

Ruler flat from 20Hz up to 1kHz and some of the very best 30 and 50 Hz square wave plots there are. 

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Not really.

 

Yes really, I say this even to those people who say HD800 has better bass quality.  

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Curious though but at the time when you owned the 650's what was the rest of the setup?

 

Looking back, MAD Ear+HD and Meier Concerto for amps (heard them on a 3 channel B22 a few times) and my DAC was the PS Audio DLIII playing mostly CDs through my CDP. I wholly expected to hate the LCD-2s when I ordered them as some made comparisons between the two. But I was enthralled by the Audeze naturalness and bass like no other. There was no mid-bass hump that was cumbersome and while pushed back, the treble was very well extended. 

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So very true.

 

Ruler flat from 20Hz up to 1kHz and some of the very best 30 and 50 Hz square wave plots there are. 


you can do charts all day but sounding good, being better, is another story

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you can do charts all day but sounding good, being better, is another story

 

Charts help. When used in conjunction with first hand experiences can really illuminate. They keep us honest. Like Feynman said, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool."

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Yes really, I say this even to those people who say HD800 has better bass quality.  

Well the LCD2's have more meat and texture on the lows, the HD800's bass is of better quality, it is more round, smooth and natural sounding. What I was actually saying not really too, is comparing the bass to Stax earspeakers. Sure a bigger drop but the the coherency and fastly rendered bass of the Stax stat's is imo "beast".

 

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Looking back, MAD Ear+HD and Meier Concerto for amps (heard them on a 3 channel B22 a few times) and my DAC was the PS Audio DLIII playing mostly CDs through my CDP. I wholly expected to hate the LCD-2s when I ordered them as some made comparisons between the two. But I was enthralled by the Audeze naturalness and bass like no other. There was no mid-bass hump that was cumbersome and while pushed back, the treble was very well extended. 

So not exactly low nor mid-fi that's pretty high end for it's time back then. Guess the HD650's sound is just not for you.

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Charts help. When used in conjunction with first hand experiences can really illuminate. They keep us honest. Like Feynman said, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool."

Awesome quote, going in my sig :)

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