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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Get a vintage speaker amp, give the LCD2's some powa.

A mate sold me his NFB- 10 for a good price so I'll be using that for a while. Can anyone comment on different cables affecting bass impact with the LCD's?
post #4952 of 6599
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Get a vintage speaker amp, give the LCD2's some powa.

A mate sold me his NFB- 10 for a good price so I'll be using that for a while. Can anyone comment on different cables affecting bass impact with the LCD's?
post #4953 of 6599
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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post


A mate sold me his NFB- 10 for a good price so I'll be using that for a while. Can anyone comment on different cables affecting bass impact with the LCD's?

Ok man, no need to repeat it twice. lol

 

With the LCD2's you want either SPC (silver plated copper), silver with gold (alloys) or just plain pure silver. I don't recommend copper it really mush's up the sound due to the warm and bassy nature of copper. I use Crystal Piccolino, one of the best headphone cables you can buy. Comes at a price though, which is why I made mine since I'm such a genius. rolleyes.gif

post #4954 of 6599
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Ok man, no need to repeat it twice. lol

With the LCD2's you want either SPC (silver plated copper), silver with gold (alloys) or just plain pure silver. I don't recommend copper it really mush's up the sound due to the warm and bassy nature of copper. I use Crystal Piccolino, one of the best headphone cables you can buy. Comes at a price though, which is why I made mine since I'm such a genius. rolleyes.gif

I used a silver cable on my HE 500'S and it made them sound thin and reduced the bass. I wouldn't want that to happen with the LCD's cos the bass seems reduced enough with the stock balanced cable on the NFB- 10.
post #4955 of 6599
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I used a silver cable on my HE 500'S and it made them sound thin and reduced the bass. I wouldn't want that to happen with the LCD's cos the bass seems reduced enough with the stock balanced cable on the NFB- 10.

Yep that is the nature of a silver cable. I'd look into a pure silver with gold alloy cable. Either Crystal Piccolino or Frank (Toxic Cables) hybrid cable with gold alloy in it.

post #4956 of 6599
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Yep that is the nature of a silver cable. I'd look into a pure silver with gold alloy cable. Either Crystal Piccolino or Frank (Toxic Cables) hybrid cable with gold alloy in it.

What will that do to the LCD's sound? I want thumping bass.
post #4957 of 6599
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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post


I want thumping bass.

Pure OFC if so. Sound may be bit congested sounding with the LCD2's.

post #4958 of 6599
...I want thumping bass.

Beats Pro ? 😜
post #4959 of 6599

Toxic Cables Scorpion OCC Copper wire 24AWG, I made a cable for my LCD-2s.  However, if you're looking for pounding bass maybe the LCD-2 is not for you.

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What will that do to the LCD's sound? I want thumping bass.
post #4960 of 6599
True if you want thumping bass either different headphone or get a vintage amp with bass treble dials to adjust to your hearts content, less expensive and makes a massive more difference than a cable which you're paying for the looks and subtle sound improvements.
post #4961 of 6599
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post


It takes a few months to see the short comings of the LCD-2, especially if your coming from mid-fi phones like DT880/HD650/K701..

What do you mean by shortcomings here?
I'm also considering the HD650, since it costs lest than hald a lcd2 new, how big a step up is the LCD 2 from the HD650?
post #4962 of 6599
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Originally Posted by Greenleaf7 View Post


What do you mean by shortcomings here?
I'm also considering the HD650, since it costs lest than hald a lcd2 new, how big a step up is the LCD 2 from the HD650?

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 10:08pm
post #4963 of 6599
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Headphones will be the most important part of the setup, so a higher end headphone will bring the most improvement. LCD2 sounds good off basically anything, so that would be my choice.

As Jerg said, the HE500, like the LCD2 is pretty high end-ish and not so hard to drive, and gives you some headroom for better sources/amps.

Maybe HE500 + NFB 11.32? That would give the HE500 some good power behind it too (about two watts at their impedance) and the 11.32 uses the ESP9018 sabre dacs used in super high end gear.

Great, I shall consider the he500 as well. Will attempt to audition both before deciding between either.
Thanks for suggesting 11.32. it looks good on paper, has a great Dac and outputs more power than the o2.
post #4964 of 6599
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post

Every headphone has it's shortcomings even 1k headphones like the lcd. Shoot even 200k mbl speakers have their shortcomings. I personally found the soundstage to be the lcd's biggest shortcoming but that's just me and I'm sure m-13 and others have their own reasons. Very minor shortcoming imo though just the reason I felt it wasn't quite for me. The lcd is quite a step up imo to the 650 in everyway except sound stage.
Point taken, glad to hear from a guy that has heard both those cans.
post #4965 of 6599
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Originally Posted by Greenleaf7 View Post


What do you mean by shortcomings here?
I'm also considering the HD650, since it costs lest than hald a lcd2 new, how big a step up is the LCD 2 from the HD650?

These are my personal opinions so just take them with a BIG GRAIN of salt:

 

It's a big step up from the HD650. I had them both side by side for half a year, but the HD650s are very special. My favorite headphone under $500 and a classic that will never die. I will definitely be repurchasing them sometime in the future. I consider them the grandfather to the LCD-2.

 

Shortcoming of the LCD-2? Hmm.. let's see. First off it's not neutral because of the recessed upper mids. Soundstaging is small and congested, lack of "air". Althought that bass is linear, because of the upper-mid recess the bass comes off as excessive at times and can be fatiguing after an hour. In the end I have trouble calling the bass neutral even though the Freq Response is dead flat, because of the upper-mid recess gives them undue emphasis. The treble is overall dark, yet at the same time it has weird harsh peaks, small trouble spots that show up with certain recordings (I think I would call it uneven treble that is overall quite dark), whereas the HE-500 has brighter treble in general, without any peaks and is just smooth like butter. This harshness is hard to document since it doesn't show up in Freq Response plot, but it's there for me and a few others I spoke to.

 

Pros? Amazing buttery/liquid mids/vocals. Bass is fun/detailed/textured and really hits the spot when you feel like getting hit by some really really nice bass. When I had both the LCD-2/HE-500. I would listen to the LCD-2 for fun and if the bass became too fatiguing or the treble a bit uneven I would switch over to the HE-500, which is just smooth and calm, never offensive and more neutral with more air, but arguably not as "immediately impressive." I eventually found the ability to stay calm in all situations "impressive". It's also no slouch on the Mids/Bass department. I characterize the HE-500 mids as "Sweet" as opposed to "Buttery" for the LCD-2. rolleyes.gif

 

I think LCD-2s are definitely worth owning and easy to love and easy to live with. The shortcomings I mention won't really stand out to someone new to the game. It's very impressive on first listen if you're coming from mid-tier phones (under $500) It takes a few months of living with it to see and also comparing them to something more neutral like the HE-500, and even then the LCD-2 is probably worth keeping, because it's also very special and addicting at the same time.


Edited by M-13 - 5/1/13 at 3:17pm
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