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post #4861 of 7128
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

That's a pretty solid point. And sure, if it's problem solving I don't think anyone would argue the update isn't justified.

I would use the LF as counter point, not a cheap amp to begin with, with schitty resale, with another iteration around the corner.

 

If anything, Headamp nailed it, upgrade modules.


Still to get full benefit of upgraded modules you need upgraded PSU, basically move to MKII. frown.gif

post #4862 of 7128
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Still to get full benefit of upgraded modules you need upgraded PSU, basically move to MKII. frown.gif

Is that not more specific to the GS-1 rather than a GS-X? (not a MkII)

post #4863 of 7128
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Is that not more specific to the GS-1 rather than a GS-X? (not a MkII)

All the new or upgraded PSU gives you is the ability to drive the HE-6 "supposedly"  Other than that the new modules puts you in a GS-X mkII

post #4864 of 7128
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

All the new or upgraded PSU gives you is the ability to drive the HE-6 "supposedly"  Other than that the new modules puts you in a GS-X mkII

Ah, gotcha. I remember Solude saying the MkII having dual 35VA transformers over the former dual 15.

post #4865 of 7128
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

All the new or upgraded PSU gives you is the ability to drive the HE-6 "supposedly"  Other than that the new modules puts you in a GS-X mkII

Exactly...so if one (say me) has absolutely zero plans on re-buying the HE-6s, then I'm very happy to stand pat with my GS-X + Dynalo+ upgrade modules. That and I bet that the HE-6s still sound better from a properly sourced speaker amp.

post #4866 of 7128
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Exactly...so if one (say me) has absolutely zero plans on re-buying the HE-6s, then I'm very happy to stand pat with my GS-X + Dynalo+ upgrade modules. That and I bet that the HE-6s still sound better from a properly sourced speaker amp.

 

Yup..  biggrin.gif

post #4867 of 7128

Is there not any headphone amp that can drive the HE-6 efficiently to sound better than running from a dedicated integrated amp for it or are people just jumping on the "moar power = better sound" bandwagon for the sake of it? Honestly don't know the answer, didn't Fang design the EF-6 for the HE-6, how well does this amp compare to other standard power amps?

post #4868 of 7128

Well my F1J is only 10wpc into 8 ohms.  So for me it's the quality of the power and IMO the size of the PSU and transformer/s.  A lot of these headphones amps just have really high gain, that's able to make the HE-6 get plenty loud.  

 

That's a real trick some if you don't know any better.  Lots of people get confused with the difference between gain and "current".  Also being able to sustain the current flow in time of need is very important as well.

 

EF-6

Dark Star

Mjolnir

GS-X mkII

Few others.


Edited by preproman - 4/22/13 at 11:38pm
post #4869 of 7128
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Well my F1J is only 10wpc into 8 ohms.  So for me it's the quality of the power and IMO the size of the PSU and transformer/s.  A lot of these headphones amps just have really high gain, that's able to make the HE-6 get plenty loud.  

 

That's a real trick some if you don't know any better.  Lots of people get confused with the difference between gain and "current".  Also being able to sustain the current flow in time of need is very important as well.

 

EF-6

Dark Star

Mjolnir

GS-X mkII

Few others.

True, now that you've brought up the topic of gain and current (power) a lot of people do get confused between the two. I've heard nothing but good things of Nelson's F1J driven for speakers but not headphones (orthos in this matter). Have you heard any headphone amp that sounds better than your Firstwatt + He-6 pairing?

post #4870 of 7128
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Well my F1J is only 10wpc into 8 ohms.  So for me it's the quality of the power and IMO the size of the PSU and transformer/s.  A lot of these headphones amps just have really high gain, that's able to make the HE-6 get plenty loud.  

 

That's a real trick some if you don't know any better.  Lots of people get confused with the difference between gain and "current".  Also being able to sustain the current flow in time of need is very important as well.

 

EF-6

Dark Star

Mjolnir

GS-X mkII

Few others.

+1. And the simple fact that no headamp reaches the levels of a Pass amp and other's, etc.

 

For example, the Liquid Glass sounds pretty fantastic with HE-6 and is the best I've heard it out of an headamp, however

I'd take a F1 or J2 over it all day.

post #4871 of 7128
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

True, now that you've brought up the topic of gain and current (power) a lot of people do get confused between the two. I've heard nothing but good things of Nelson's F1J driven for speakers but not headphones (orthos in this matter). Have you heard any headphone amp that sounds better than your Firstwatt + He-6 pairing?

 

Nope.  Not yet..

post #4872 of 7128

Well there are some good integrated amp's designed for speakers that do have a headphone out jack option. How much does the F1J cost again? $1.8k?

post #4873 of 7128
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Well there are some good integrated amp's designed for speakers that do have a headphone out jack option. How much does the F1J cost again? $1.8k?

 

If you can find one.  Around that.  However, the J2 and the F4s would be my next choice..

post #4874 of 7128

Interesting. Wish there some schematics lying around to see if I can do diy route. So is it that these things need absolute large gobs of power (current) to sound good or just the amp has to have a good and appealing output signal from the circuit to make it sound good? Because I've read Malveux impressions on using that Emotiva toy to drive the LCD2's while they sound ok with ample amount of headroom, a slightly better headamp has the edge over it in terms of making the sound more controlled and distinct while the Emotiva can sound large and course but easily driven and I'm thinking along the lines this may apply to the HE-6 as well? No?

post #4875 of 7128

Well the Emo is only $200.  It does a really good job for $200  There's obviously better out there in the form of Headamps and other speaker amps.  It's just a low end entry level amp that happen to be pretty good.

 

In DIYAudio they build Pass clones all the time.

 

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/

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