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post #4501 of 6496
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

This went from the LCD2 thread to the 'let's bash everything else thread'.

Apparently comparing an obviously bass heavy headphone to an headphone tweaked for a linear response is the in thing right now.

Ok.

What's next, comparing the XB700 to the Stax? They don't cater to the same genres and people at
all.

The D7000 is my fave headphone, period. It's much more fun and a little more engaging than the LCD2. However, they aren't anywhere near similar in what they do, and as such, aren't comparable.

Why anyone would seriously compare the HD800 to the LCD2 is beyond me. They are way too different. But ok. Cntinue with the bashing.

Sorry, but as long as we're not bashing the LCD2 in its thread, all is well within the world. tongue.gif

 

 

Why we compare headphones is because it's a forum for discussion. Why you are one who feels x can and x can can't be or shouldn't

be compared is beyond me. You can claim they're sooo different and aren't comparable, but this hobby is subjective and taste vary,

so everything is on the table and comparable.

 

Otherwise, we should only compare the LCD-2 to the HE-500, because that's really the only thing really comparable. rolleyes.gif

post #4502 of 6496
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Sorry, but as long as we're not bashing the LCD2 in its thread, all is well within the world. tongue.gif

 

 

Why we compare headphones is because it's a forum for discussion. Why you are one who feels x can and x can can't be or shouldn't

be compared is beyond me. You can claim they're sooo different and aren't comparable, but this hobby is subjective and taste vary,

so everything is on the table and comparable.

 

Otherwise, we should only compare the LCD-2 to the HE-500, because that's really the only thing really comparable. rolleyes.gif

 

These are my thoughts as well.

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I think it is really great that these peeps who have all these different headphones take the time to relay their thoughts on the different phones as there is typically extremely limited to -no- means of auditioning this equipment prior to purchase for most contemplating buying something. Otherwise there would effectively be absolutely no way at all to at least try to narrow it down to two or three cans to really seriously consider buying. I really like my LCD2.2's, but I also REALLY would have liked to have been able to listen to the HD800's also as I am just not a real bass-head and that was one thing that really bothered me about the DT990's I tried previous to the Audeze phones. The LCD2.2's are really nice but kind of "dark" so I will likely [someday] look into a set of the HD800's to try them out and may even go so far as try a pure silver cable for my LCD2's (but have serious doubts that will really add to the treble characteristics of these phones) although some claim so. Anyways we are very fortunate there are some on here who do take the time to discuss the relative merits of these cans as it is a real service to everyone and should be considered as such IMHO.
Edited by commtrd - 4/8/13 at 11:05am
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What I'm referring to is when people say the bass is bloated, etc. Of course when comparing a Denon to an LCD2 or HD800 the bass is bloated. This is a Captain Obvious statement. The Denons are bass
heavy. If you're used to something linear, bass heavy cans are gonna come off as bloated.

That isn't a helpful statement whatsoever, as it's personal preference, and the Denon was tuned for more bass intentionally. If they were tuned to be as linear as the others, then maybe it'd be a more valid statement. Even the TH900 is tuned to have more bass than linearity. But let's compare than to an HD800 and say it has too much bass. Why even bother making it, since it's not linear? Oh, that's right, people have different tastes.

What's next... soundstage is too big and unnatural on the HD800, since you're used to a more intimate soundstage?
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/8/13 at 11:07am
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So what "should" be compared?  A headphone is a headphone they both do the same thing.  You compare when you say the D7000 is your fav. headphone.  That's a comparison to all other headphones - correct?

post #4506 of 6496
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

What I'm referring to is when people say the bass is bloated, etc. Of course when comparing a Denon to an LCD2 or HD800 the bass is bloated. This is a Captain Obvious statement. The Denons are bass
heavy. If you're used to something linear, bass heavy cans are gonna come off as bloated.

That isn't a helpful statement whatsoever, as it's personal preference, and the Denon was tuned for more bass intentionally. If they were tuned to be as linear as the others, then maybe it'd be a more valid statement.

What's next... soundstage is too big and unnatural on the HD800, since you're used to a more intimate soundstage?

What's your point, exactly? Some people prefer the Denon's bass (and wouldn't refer to it as 'bloaty', as all thing's are subjective, in which, completely warrants the comparisons.

 

What's not helpful is having the perspective of putting thing's in a box. Meaning, the way you see things,

you should never compare a dark headphone to a bright one because of course, when coming from

a dark headphone the bright one will sound, well, bright. That's so helpful and not a boxed generalization.

 

"If it's bass heavy, it's bloaty"

 

MLE

 

"If it's detailed, it's bright"

 

MLE


Edited by paradoxper - 4/8/13 at 11:30am
post #4507 of 6496
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

What I'm referring to is when people say the bass is bloated, etc. Of course when comparing a Denon to an LCD2 or HD800 the bass is bloated. This is a Captain Obvious statement. The Denons are bass
heavy. If you're used to something linear, bass heavy cans are gonna come off as bloated.

That isn't a helpful statement whatsoever, as it's personal preference, and the Denon was tuned for more bass intentionally. If they were tuned to be as linear as the others, then maybe it'd be a more valid statement. Even the TH900 is tuned to have more bass than linearity. But let's compare than to an HD800 and say it has too much bass. Why even bother making it, since it's not linear? Oh, that's right, people have different tastes.

What's next... soundstage is too big and unnatural on the HD800, since you're used to a more intimate soundstage?

While not big and UNNATURAL I do find the HD800's soundstage too big for it's own good. Some things seem lost to me if they're on the edges if the 'stage'. It's the one thing I didn't really like about the HD800.
post #4508 of 6496
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

I think it is really great that these peeps who have all these different headphones take the time to relay their thoughts on the different phones as there is typically extremely limited to -no- means of auditioning this equipment prior to purchase for most contemplating buying something. Otherwise there would effectively be absolutely no way at all to at least try to narrow it down to two or three cans to really seriously consider buying. I really like my LCD2.2's, but I also REALLY would have liked to have been able to listen to the HD800's also as I am just not a real bass-head and that was one thing that really bothered me about the DT990's I tried previous to the Audeze phones. The LCD2.2's are really nice but kind of "dark" so I will likely [someday] look into a set of the HD800's to try them out and may even go so far as try a pure silver cable for my LCD2's (but have serious doubts that will really add to the treble characteristics of these phones) although some claim so. Anyways we are very fortunate there are some on here who do take the time to discuss the relative merits of these cans as it is a real service to everyone and should be considered as such IMHO.

I recabled my pair with silver plated copper from plussound and made sure to inquire about the thickness of the plating in order to avoid the 'midrange suckout' that can happen with SPC cables. The difference to my ears is not subtle, at this point. I was quite surprised and even had a friend of mine compare the two cables and he could tell right away. The treble is not sibilant in any way and retains all of the smoothness...its almost like a rev.3, following the trend from rev.1 to rev.2 so recabling should definitely be an option IMO before you decide to be done with your pair. 

 

EDIT: Treble is only one of the improved aspects obviously


Edited by Ampeezy - 4/8/13 at 1:13pm
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I remember one of the older members Duggeh taking a quote from one of the old D7k appreciation threads. Some people said the D7k were neutral. Oh the irony in that. 

 

Yeah I have to agree with MT on that one as well, with genres such as classical, jazz or opera possibly rock as well, that wide soundstage comes in handy, but for more vocalised or relaxing music it sort takes you the listener on a path from on track to off track to the middle of nowhere. Too bad no eq can fix that problem and no mods can reduce it as it will alter the whole sound completely.

post #4510 of 6496
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

I think it is really great that these peeps who have all these different headphones take the time to relay their thoughts on the different phones as there is typically extremely limited to -no- means of auditioning this equipment prior to purchase for most contemplating buying something. Otherwise there would effectively be absolutely no way at all to at least try to narrow it down to two or three cans to really seriously consider buying. I really like my LCD2.2's, but I also REALLY would have liked to have been able to listen to the HD800's also as I am just not a real bass-head and that was one thing that really bothered me about the DT990's I tried previous to the Audeze phones. The LCD2.2's are really nice but kind of "dark" so I will likely [someday] look into a set of the HD800's to try them out and may even go so far as try a pure silver cable for my LCD2's (but have serious doubts that will really add to the treble characteristics of these phones) although some claim so. Anyways we are very fortunate there are some on here who do take the time to discuss the relative merits of these cans as it is a real service to everyone and should be considered as such IMHO.

Try adding some EQ where you believe they are deficient. Certainly a lot cheaper than pure silver cables.
post #4511 of 6496
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Try adding some EQ where you believe they are deficient. Certainly a lot cheaper than pure silver cables.

That sounds like the best advice of all! I did not think of using EQ as I typically have really never used it over the years listening to loud speakers (no headphones) but may try that. At any rate I am not bummed with these LCD2.2's at all did not want to give that impression just would like some more treble extension and sparkle that's all... Really I can live with 'em just fine the way they are if it comes down to it. Is that the benefit to the 3's? More detail and sparkle in the highs? I have often wondered what it was about the 3's that made them $1000 better...

post #4512 of 6496
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

That sounds like the best advice of all! I did not think of using EQ as I typically have really never used it over the years listening to loud speakers (no headphones) but may try that. At any rate I am not bummed with these LCD2.2's at all did not want to give that impression just would like some more treble extension and sparkle that's all... Really I can live with 'em just fine the way they are if it comes down to it. Is that the benefit to the 3's? More detail and sparkle in the highs? I have often wondered what it was about the 3's that made them $1000 better...

 

Yup.  that's about it..  You have to decide for yourself if it's 1K better.  As soon as I heard the LCD-3 the LCD-2.2 was up for sale.

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I'm thinking of buying a pair of LCD 2's...If I found the HE 500's heavy and uncomfortable, will I find the LCD 2's even more uncomfortable?

post #4514 of 6496
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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post

I'm thinking of buying a pair of LCD 2's...If I found the HE 500's heavy and uncomfortable, will I find the LCD 2's even more uncomfortable?

IMO, yes.
post #4515 of 6496
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post


IMO, yes.

Hmm...Aside from the weight are they more comfortable than the HE 500's?

 

Also, if anyone can asnwer this - I love the subbass rumble of my Denon D5000's, will the LCD 2's give me that same rumble and impact?

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