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post #3226 of 5218
10/10/12 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Kojaku View Post

I think we're mixing around transparent with natural. If you look at the measurements on the HE-500 (not to hate on it, as it IS a great headphone), it's a bit hot in the treble region. That is, however, the trend among cans nowadays, so it's understandable. I happen to find hot treble intolerable, while many find hot treble to be exciting or even revealing, as a great deal of lower level detail is rendered in the higher treble ranges anyway. 

 

Kojaku

 

 

Well,  I never said the HE-500 was transparent or neutral - or did I?wink_face.gif  Yes the HE-500 is a little hot, but it can be tamed by something like a balanced M^3 or a βeta-22.

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post #3227 of 5218
10/11/12 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

^ I WANT what he's smoking... In pounds.
But seriously, I'm glad you feel that passionate about your setup. There are people on here that keep chasing that sound signature without ever attaining it. Sounds like you have. beerchug.gif
If I take what you wrote, and substitute ROC SA for V200 and HE-500 for LCD2, that's how I feel in a nutshell. Although, an amp upgrade would be my next course of action and the BHA-1 is looking mighty fine and would be my pick over a v200, no question.

Haha me too!  Also, I really want to try a V200 see what the fuss is about

 

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Originally Posted by Kojaku View Post

I think we're mixing around transparent with natural. If you look at the measurements on the HE-500 (not to hate on it, as it IS a great headphone), it's a bit hot in the treble region. That is, however, the trend among cans nowadays, so it's understandable. I happen to find hot treble intolerable, while many find hot treble to be exciting or even revealing, as a great deal of lower level detail is rendered in the higher treble ranges anyway. 

 

Kojaku

Good post.

 

Yeah I would say that the HE500 is a little hot upstairs, especially compared to the LCD2's. All this talk about "treble roll off" with them boggles me a bit...?

You are right imo that the LCD2 have the more natural signature, especially if we are to go off frequency graphs aswell. They will sound a little flat to some folks, but thats because they are. But getting back to what theophile was saying in regards to the transparency offered with the V200/LCD2. This sounds like a perfect audiophole tool. Pure transparency with a headphone capable of a natural reproduction. Then all you need to do is to feed it want you want!

 

A headphone such as the HE500 will give a more exciting sound with it's extra peaks but I also find them a little tireing over long listening sessions. Best have both! bigsmile_face.gif

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post #3228 of 5218
10/11/12 at 4:20am
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Originally Posted by justie View Post

Do u know of any other dacs I should consider?

If you can get your hands on a unit, I would recommend trying the Audiolab MDAC. I really like it.
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post #3229 of 5218
10/12/12 at 7:48am

I have not listened to my LCD2 for over three months. Just started listening to them again, tonight...Tracy Chapman sounds simply gorgeous!

 

My LCD2 is paired in the follwing set up; Sony L > Jriver 17 > silver USB > Hiface 2 > silver/gold RCA > V800 copper power cord > silver/gold XLR > V200 silver/gold power cord > silver/gold LCD2 cable. Listening levels have to be quite high on the LCD2 for it to shine, the tonal qualities of this Headphone is the most outstanding feature.

 

I think one of the reasons why the V200 synergize so well with the LCD2 is the high damping factor of this amp and the grip and control it exerts on the headphone. With the above set up soundstage is large, near HD800 on stock cable and betters the HE500 on the same silver/gold cable. Good slam and attack, with good leading edges lending itself to a high level of realism. Very enjoyable!

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post #3230 of 5218
10/12/12 at 10:25am

I'm currently in the process of doing some dampening factor testing on my own with a borrowed pair of LCD2v2's and my own HE-500's with an Auditor.  So far, I'd have to say dampening factor does not play a factor when driving Orthos (if it does, its non-audible).  

 

 

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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

I have not listened to my LCD2 for over three months. Just started listening to them again, tonight...Tracy Chapman sounds simply gorgeous!

 

My LCD2 is paired in the follwing set up; Sony L > Jriver 17 > silver USB > Hiface 2 > silver/gold RCA > V800 copper power cord > silver/gold XLR > V200 silver/gold power cord > silver/gold LCD2 cable. Listening levels have to be quite high on the LCD2 for it to shine, the tonal qualities of this Headphone is the most outstanding feature.

 

I think one of the reasons why the V200 synergize so well with the LCD2 is the high damping factor of this amp and the grip and control it exerts on the headphone. With the above set up soundstage is large, near HD800 on stock cable and betters the HE500 on the same silver/gold cable. Good slam and attack, with good leading edges lending itself to a high level of realism. Very enjoyable!


Edited by rezolver - 10/12/12 at 11:36am
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post #3231 of 5218
10/12/12 at 11:19am

Mybe I'm reading your post wrong, rezolver - but damping factor is the ratio between the headphone impedance and the amplifier1s output impedance. 

 

 

 

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which has a high input impedance (10k) 

 

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post #3232 of 5218
10/12/12 at 11:35am

You're right Loevhagen, I did reference the incorrect value. The caffeine must be wearing off :D.

I'm unable to find a output impedance for the BHA-1. This makes me very curious.

 

I've edited out my original post to fix any confusion.

 

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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

Mybe I'm reading your post wrong, rezolver - but damping factor is the ratio between the headphone impedance and the amplifier1s output impedance. 

 

 

 

 

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post #3233 of 5218
10/12/12 at 4:15pm

FWIW there was some technical discussion in the original LCD2 thread - somewhere around pages.30-40 IIRC - to the effect damping factor isn't critical with orthodynamics.

 

I don't understand enough electrical theory to "get it", but the reason put forward was the simple resistive nature of these head-phones - no funny erratic impedance changes with frequency for an amp to worry about.

 

The key requirement for an amp with these 'phones is sufficient current - which of course the Violectrics have, among others.

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post #3234 of 5218
10/12/12 at 5:07pm

I have a tube amp that sucks w.r.t. damping factor - but with a certain ortho . the match is brilliant. 

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post #3235 of 5218
10/12/12 at 8:08pm

OTL tube amps are a whole different beast, and come with a whole different topology compared to SS. Correct me if I'm wrong, they deliver the voltage required, but don't have the current swing available (unless the tube amp is a hybrid). Once a hybrid, a high quality r-core or a torodial transfomer would be the preferred choice (as opposed to a wall-wart, etc).

 

I am doing my comparison with SS amps only.

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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

I have a tube amp that sucks w.r.t. damping factor - but with a certain ortho . the match is brilliant. 

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post #3236 of 5218
10/12/12 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

OTL tube amps are a whole different beast, and come with a whole different topology compared to SS. Correct me if I'm wrong, they deliver the voltage required, but don't have the current swing available (unless the tube amp is a hybrid). Once a hybrid, a high quality r-core or a torodial transfomer would be the preferred choice (as opposed to a wall-wart, etc).

 

I am doing my comparison with SS amps only.

 

I am not techie but it will be interesting to read your findings!

 

There are many opposing views as to whether a high damping factor is necessary, for me the bass control is much better when a high damping factor amp is used with the LCD2 and HE500 for that matter. By having a tighter rein on the bass, the whole FR shifts giving the impression of more energy in the mids and especially highs....in all honesty, I am pretty new to this headphone game and just sharing my listening experiences........ 

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post #3237 of 5218
10/12/12 at 10:54pm

spkrs01, I'm honored by your intrigue.

 

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I am not techie but I will be interested to read your findings! (Ed.)

 

There are many opposing views as to whether a high damping factor is necessary, for me the bass control is much better when a high damping factor amp is used with the LCD2 and HE500 for that matter. By having a tighter rein on the bass, the whole FR shifts giving the impression of more energy in the mids and especially highs....in all honesty, I am pretty new to this headphone game and just sharing my listening experiences........ 

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post #3238 of 5218
10/12/12 at 11:09pm

This thread has been my haven. You've all accepted me with my HE-500's. A black sheep amongst brown sheep. And some of you are striped, you know who you are. (LB1)


Edited by rezolver - 10/12/12 at 11:10pm
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post #3239 of 5218
10/12/12 at 11:22pm

You don't like HOT? You're weird. :P beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Well,  I never said the HE-500 was transparent or neutral - or did I?wink_face.gif  Yes the HE-500 is a little hot, but it can be tamed by something like a balanced M^3 or a βeta-22.

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post #3240 of 5218
10/13/12 at 1:24am
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This thread has been my haven. You've all accepted me with my HE-500's. A black sheep amongst brown sheep. And some of you are striped, you know who you are. (LB1)

Thats me! beerchug.gif

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