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Quote: I don't think that you are. Dabbling in Photoshop does not make you an industrial designer.

 

I'll leave my employer to be the judge of that. Funny thing is when you are working with a team that produces one of the most "successful" portable music player of all-time and you see kids to grand-pas using them, I don't need to be proving anything with my dedication for perfection.

 

The hairline crack appeared after a month of normal use, unless you want pictures and a log book for its use, which is "funny" and childish.

 

Didn't Philips already acknowledge the design failure? Which is why they are creating unibody designs in their new models. I'm doing extra effort here to push them in creating something better for the consumers. Just like complaints we had at work, we look at them "objectively" and start building on that. I will continue testing headphones with a month of normal use, then doing the extremes, the stress tests.

 

I will not tolerate fanboyism, I will test all headphones equally unless they are $400+ or they are limited in nature. Don't claim this headphone as if it was the level of the HD800s for clarity sake (even those headphones have flaws), I'm merely pointing out at the flaws which any $70 headphones may have, didn't I recommend this headphone too?

 

If you want a reproduction test then try connecting it to an instrument, monitor the sound if there is some difference between the cleanliness of the tones. Example this one, a Yamaha YDP Digital piano. This will tell you more of its reproduction accuracy than some portable player or a "Youtube" video connected to your headphone.  k701smile.gif

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post #122 of 145
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

 

@ Pinoyman,

Although some people may not care, Quality of parts and product design may still suggest sound quality to some degree. For example, Older iPods with high output impedance are well known to sound poor when used with BA type IEMs, you can tell by simply looking at FR graph. That is probably because older iPods were not designed with BA IEMs in mind.

 Still, Some people may not care and still like that combo. Ignorance is blessing sometimes.......let us concentrate on music rather than gear, right?

 

Edit: In the end, most people here will probably stop arguing and go buy those Dowtown headphones, then we can start some new arguments here, that is how the cycle goes.....

 

agree.

to some point, ill have to take this opportunity for thanking mr. alvin here, not only for his bravery to do such thing to his gear but also for the courage to show it to us.

 

im also an open minded person, though, and his doing will help other future SHL5500 buyers to choose the downtown over the older version.

thanks to that.

 

lets hope that more companies like philips woulld still continue to provide us good sounding cans at a fraction of a price.

 

 

post #123 of 145
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

 

@ Pinoyman,

Although some people may not care, Quality of parts and product design may still suggest sound quality to some degree. For example, Older iPods with high output impedance are well known to sound poor when used with BA type IEMs, you can tell by simply looking at FR graph. That is probably because older iPods were not designed with BA IEMs in mind.

 Still, Some people may not care and still like that combo. Ignorance is blessing sometimes.......let us concentrate on music rather than gear, right?

 

Edit: In the end, most people here will probably stop arguing and go buy those Dowtown headphones, then we can start some new arguments here, that is how the cycle goes.....

 

agree.

to some point, ill have to take this opportunity for thanking mr. alvin here, not only for his bravery to do such thing to his gear but also for the courage to show it to us.

 

im also an open minded person, though, and his doing will help other future SHL5500 buyers to choose the downtown over the older version.

thanks to that.

 

lets hope that more companies like philips woulld still continue to provide us good sounding cans at a fraction of a price.

 

@alvin,

thanks bro!

post #124 of 145


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Originally Posted by alvincapalad View Post

I also mentioned if there's difference between the sound signature of this SHL5500 from the Downtowns, The product department admitted that they used the same drivers for the development; however, they made a lot of fine adjustments and refinements to the Downtowns which I look forward to. Tyll of Innerfidelity is one of the headphone reviewers who doesn't get impressed quickly, but seeing his feedback on the Downtowns it must be a very good pair.

 

He also mentioned that the new Philips headphone lines will not support any swiveling features as there have been isolated issues of the plastic hairline cracks. Seeing how Tyll disassembled the Downtowns, you can see it is a unibody style, less movable parts more durable. The SHL5500 is made out of 5 interlocking parts, when one fails everything fails. Being an industrial designer, I scrutinize these things with the smallest details. Currently, I am impressed with the design implementations of the Audio Technicas and the Koss, those headphones were built to last. I cannot see any design weakness with the headphones they design.

 

The Downtowns looks promising. In two days, I'll share my feedback with the Downtowns regarding its SQ, and design built. With their return to the audiophile market, my expectations will be high. I am sure they won't disappoint.

Alvin, have you received the two sets?  If so, do you have any comments to share yet about the sound quality differences (if any) between Downtonws (shl5605) and the shl5500?
 

 

post #125 of 145

Yes, I do. The CitiScape Downtowns is obviously superior in sound quality and build than the previous SHL5500. The bass is much fuller, vocals are warmer, and the highs are more detailed; however at $100 price point, Creative Aurvana Live beats the Downtowns by a hair. Sound signature is similar to the Koss TBSE1 just add bass and slightly turn down the volume in the mids department. Imaging is a step behind the TBSE1, but I'm not surprise TBSE1s are supposedly advertised for pros.

 

Overall package, the Downtowns have better isolation, one of the best, if not the best even at the $200 range. The overall build is very sturdy, you can bend the headband flat without breaking them. The plastic ear cups aren't the best of quality, they feel hollow but they are better than the SHL5500. At the $100 range, it is probably the 2nd or 3rd best sounding headphones. The selling point of this cans are probably the comfort and the isolation, which will ultimately give you props to buy them over the Grados, CAL, and the TBSE1s.

 

The SHL5500 actually reminded me of an old Sony product the MDR-570. Looks familiar?

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The question is who copied who?

 

post #126 of 145

Can anyone tell me if the Downtowns isolate as well or more than the HD25s?

post #127 of 145

^ Tyll's measurements gave almost the same isolation value (-14 to 16 db) to HD25s and Downtowns. I would guess Downtowns isolate as well as, or 2db better than HD25s. 

post #128 of 145
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^ Tyll's measurements gave almost the same isolation value (-14 to 16 db) to HD25s and Downtowns. I would guess Downtowns isolate as well as, or 2db better than HD25s. 



Thanks for the info zzffnn. This is pretty awesome, especially at the price. I wonder how the SQ compares to the HD25s and M-80s. Only time will tell.

post #129 of 145
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Originally Posted by alvincapalad View Post

Yes, I do. The CitiScape Downtowns is obviously superior in sound quality and build than the previous SHL5500. The bass is much fuller, vocals are warmer, and the highs are more detailed; however at $100 price point, Creative Aurvana Live beats the Downtowns by a hair. Sound signature is similar to the Koss TBSE1 just add bass and slightly turn down the volume in the mids department. Imaging is a step behind the TBSE1, but I'm not surprise TBSE1s are supposedly advertised for pros.

Thank you, Alvin!  I am impressed, because I am quite happy with the sound quality of the SHL5500.  I recently acquired a pair of Ortofon O-ones (B-stock from headroom.com) and have enjoyed comparing the two sets.  The Ortofons appear to have impressive build quality (you would like that! wink.gif), tight bass, very nice soundstage, and excellent instrumental separation.  However, for classical FM radio, which I like to listen to, I prefer the less treble-oriented presentation of the SHL5500.  At least, this is my initial impression.

post #130 of 145
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glad to know people still love the shl5500.

i gave mine to my brother and looking for impressions on the downtown.

 

 

post #131 of 145

Sorry Roma,

 

I probably gave you some incorrect suggestion about noise isolation, if you are specifically asking about their isolating ability against city / engine noise ( which is around 30hz to 600 hz).

 

If you look more carefully at Tyll's graph of "Attenuation of External Sound vs. Frequency", HD25 isolate 5 to 10 db more between 300-800 hz, and about 5db more between 800-2000 hz, than Downtowns.

 

Neither isolate below 200 hz. Only IEMs can isolate below 200 hz.

 

If you lady screams at you (2000-5000 hz range), Downtowns would protect your ears better than HD25 (up to 12 db more reduction). There should not be much music above 5000 hz, so data in that range may not mean much. 

 

So overall I would guess HD25 isolate better for music listening in the city. Although Downtowns have slightly better "Broadband Isolation in dB (100Hz to 10kHz)", if you go by Tyll's values there.

 

Sorry for the confusion and I hope I have not caused you any financial damage :P
 

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Thanks for the info zzffnn. This is pretty awesome, especially at the price. I wonder how the SQ compares to the HD25s and M-80s. Only time will tell.

 

post #132 of 145
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

Sorry Roma,

 

I probably gave you some incorrect suggestion about noise isolation, if you are specifically asking about their isolating ability against city / engine noise ( which is around 30hz to 600 hz).

 

If you look more carefully at Tyll's graph of "Attenuation of External Sound vs. Frequency", HD25 isolate 5 to 10 db more between 300-800 hz, and about 5db more between 800-2000 hz, than Downtowns.

 

Neither isolate below 200 hz. Only IEMs can isolate below 200 hz.

 

If you lady screams at you (2000-5000 hz range), Downtowns would protect your ears better than HD25 (up to 12 db more reduction). There should not be much music above 5000 hz, so data in that range may not mean much. 

 

So overall I would guess HD25 isolate better for music listening in the city. Although Downtowns have slightly better "Broadband Isolation in dB (100Hz to 10kHz)", if you go by Tyll's values there.

 

Sorry for the confusion and I hope I have not caused you any financial damage :P
 

 


 


Thanks for clearing that buddy!!! Very informative and I appreciate you following up on this. No damage done whatsoever :P

post #133 of 145

compared to my srh440, the shl5500 is kinda sad. detail is so much lost on the Philips. It comfy though unlike the shures

post #134 of 145

hey guys, i'm trying to get a new headphones.

my budget is up to $30 max.

i found this shl5500 and i saw great reviews about it.

then, i found philips o'neill the snug.

do u mind tell me which one has the better sound quality from ur experiences??

which one is more comfortable to wear?

what do u recommend?

 

thanks guys! u r awesome!

post #135 of 145
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try buying the newer model of the shl5500, which is the downtown.

it is said to have the same driver but newer design.

 

the snug doesnt sound good enough as much as the shl5500.

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