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Poll Results: Best Neutral IEM and Headphone 2011 (Pick 1 IEM and 1 Headphone only)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 18% (43)
    Etymotic ER-4S
  • 2% (7)
    Hifiman RE-272
  • 3% (9)
    Shure SE425
  • 1% (3)
    Sony EX510
  • 7% (18)
    Vsonic GR07
  • 3% (8)
    Westone UM3X
  • 9% (22)
    Audeze LCD-2
  • 13% (33)
    Sennheiser HD600
  • 11% (28)
    Sennheiser HD800
  • 7% (19)
    Beyerdynamic DT880
  • 2% (7)
    Shure SRH 840
  • 7% (19)
    AKG 702
  • 9% (22)
    Stax SR-009
  • 0% (1)
    Denon DN-HP1000
  • 0% (2)
    ESP950
  • 10% (24)
    Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor Custom
  • 4% (10)
    Unique Melody Miracle
  • 2% (6)
    KRK-KNS8400
  • 2% (5)
    Koss ESP950
238 Total Votes  
post #61 of 355
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

I've heard the SE425, SE535, SRH-840 and SRH-940.

 

 

I recommend you only consider SE425 and SRH-940. 

Which one you'll prefer is more of a preferrence of IEM sound versus headphone sound, they are both extremely good in their own respects, I think in a fair competition of sound the SRH-940 will most likely win though, with more true to life sounding sub-bass, a further extended high-end, more focused and realistic vocals, better layering, etc...

 

The SE425 on the other hand will sound more intimate, have more specific and increased imaging, and be less fatiguing (not quite as sharp as the 940, probably good for a stage performer, so they don't get tired of the 425 during long sessions, you know, you don't want a treblehead IEM up there on stage, shrieking distortion at you all night lol.

 

These are just my theories, also I never really compare headphones and IEM's, it's not really fair, since they offer a different experience, however I do recall listening to the SRH-940 after I heard the EX1000 and I was very impressed with the SRH-940, only had a 10 minute session though, will revisit it soon.

 

P.S. You can also check with user "MacedonianHero", since he thinks the SE535 and SRH-840 are better.

 


Interesting POV Kiteki.  I sadly haven't heard the SE535 - but I owned and spent extensive time with the SE425, SRH840 and SRH940.  I also owned the DT880 (recently sold) and now own the HD600.  From the first couple of pages of this thread, I get the feeling that although the title says "analytical", the general requirement so far has been a balanced or neutral signature.

 

All in all, I'd totally agree with your thoughts on the SE425 (although mids are a little forward), and also the SRH840 (despite the mid bass hump).  Both are generally balanced.  But I just couldn't call the SRH940 balanced.  To me it is overly warm, too geared toward the upper mids and highs, and the missing mid bass made it one of the least balanced cans I'd heard.  It would be like calling a grado balanced/neutral.

 

Detailed - for sure.  Analytical/neutral - not to me.

 

post #62 of 355
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Interesting POV Kiteki.  I sadly haven't heard the SE535 - but I owned and spent extensive time with the SE425, SRH840 and SRH940.  I also owned the DT880 (recently sold) and now own the HD600.  From the first couple of pages of this thread, I get the feeling that although the title says "analytical", the general requirement so far has been a balanced or neutral signature.

 

All in all, I'd totally agree with your thoughts on the SE425 (although mids are a little forward), and also the SRH840 (despite the mid bass hump).  Both are generally balanced.  But I just couldn't call the SRH940 balanced.  To me it is overly warm, too geared toward the upper mids and highs, and the missing mid bass made it one of the least balanced cans I'd heard.  It would be like calling a grado balanced/neutral.

 

Detailed - for sure.  Analytical/neutral - not to me.

 


So what are your thoughts on an analytical IEM?

 

post #63 of 355
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Originally Posted by nikp View Post

So what are your thoughts on an analytical IEM?

 


Haven't heard enough to really give to any pointers.  SE425 is quite balanced/neutral - slightly forward mids.  I now have the Brainwavz B2 (dual BA), and I also find that quite balanced - with a slightly sparkly top-end.

 

post #64 of 355

I think the title of this thread is too deceiving.

 

It should clearly be "The Analytical IEM thread"

post #65 of 355
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R-Audiohead View Post

I think the title of this thread is too deceiving.

 

It should clearly be "The Analytical IEM thread"


I'm not limiting it to IEMs. It's just that no one discussed anything else other than IEMs. redface.gif

 

post #66 of 355

Well, the AKG KX0X, (as in 400, 401, 500, 501, 601, 70X) are mid-centric and tend to sound either realistic or quite detailed. The Beyerdynamic DT880 is pretty detailed; the DT48 is super detailed too. As with the Sony SA5000 (is the SA3000?) and Qualia 010. 

post #67 of 355

Would the DT880 600 ohms and Hifiman HE-4 qualify for this thread? Those are 2 headphones with similar sound signatures although slightly different but much more close to each other than different. The detail with a good amp and source from those 2 headphones is definitely very high and they both work as great all rounders imo

post #68 of 355
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Would the DT880 600 ohms and Hifiman HE-4 qualify for this thread? Those are 2 headphones with similar sound signatures although slightly different but much more close to each other than different. The detail with a good amp and source from those 2 headphones is definitely very high and they both work as great all rounders imo


Yeah, I'll make an analytical headphone list. Although the DT800 is mid centric, it's used for monitoring so it should reveal a lot of detail. I don't have any headphones so you guys will have to help me make a list of analytical headphones. :)

 

post #69 of 355
Thread Starter 

What do you guys think if I modify the thread into an analytical + balanced/v shaped thread?

post #70 of 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikp View Post

Yeah, I'll make an analytical headphone list. Although the DT880 is mid centric, it's used for monitoring so it should reveal a lot of detail. I don't have any headphones so you guys will have to help me make a list of analytical headphones. :)

 


Actually the 880 is not really mid-centric.  More balanced with a slight emphasis on lows and highs.  If anything I'd say that the mids are ever so slightly recessed.  Definitely detailed though.  Great idea on adding a list of full sized cans.


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by nikp View Post

What do you guys think if I modify the thread into an analytical + balanced/v shaped thread?


 

Agree - but isn't the idea analytical/balanced/neutral - ie relatively evenly proportioned across the frequencies, rather than V shaped (which I would say is not overly balanced).  Eg DT990 is quite v shaped (big emphasis on highs and lows) which makes it more fun than neutral/analytical.

 

If you're looking for 'relatively' balanced  > my suggestions for full cans to add based on what I've heard to date would be HD600, DT880, SRH840.

 

BTW - great idea for a thread nikp

post #71 of 355
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Actually the 880 is not really mid-centric.  More balanced with a slight emphasis on lows and highs.

 

 

Thats true. Imo, the akg k701/2 are the most analytical in this price range.

post #72 of 355

Anyone here is welcomed to join the dark side.

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post #73 of 355
Thread Starter 

I'm a little confused here. The ER4S is neutral, cold and analytical but I wouldn't call it balanced. When people say balanced, it's more like the Westone 4 and the Triple Fis. I have a feeling the word analytical/neutral is not the same as balanced.

post #74 of 355
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Originally Posted by nikp View Post

I'm a little confused here. The ER4S is neutral, cold and analytical but I wouldn't call it balanced. When people say balanced, it's more like the Westone 4 and the Triple Fis. I have a feeling the word analytical/neutral is not the same as balanced.


To me analytical simply means detailed - not necessarily neutral.  EG SRH940 is analytical - but it's definitely not neutral or balanced.

 

Neutral to me means no part of the spectrum is over emphasised - eg it is balanced.  I thought that was what the thread was more about - rather than the "analytical" description in the thread title.

 

Or maybe I've got it all wrong confused_face_2.gif

 

post #75 of 355
Thread Starter 

Eheh, that's why I thought of modifying the thread into a analytical/balanced/neutral thread. Everyone have different perceptions of what analytical might mean.

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