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Poll Results: Best Neutral IEM and Headphone 2011 (Pick 1 IEM and 1 Headphone only)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 18% (42)
    Etymotic ER-4S
  • 3% (7)
    Hifiman RE-272
  • 3% (9)
    Shure SE425
  • 1% (3)
    Sony EX510
  • 7% (17)
    Vsonic GR07
  • 3% (8)
    Westone UM3X
  • 8% (20)
    Audeze LCD-2
  • 14% (33)
    Sennheiser HD600
  • 11% (27)
    Sennheiser HD800
  • 7% (18)
    Beyerdynamic DT880
  • 3% (7)
    Shure SRH 840
  • 8% (19)
    AKG 702
  • 9% (22)
    Stax SR-009
  • 0% (1)
    Denon DN-HP1000
  • 0% (1)
    ESP950
  • 10% (24)
    Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor Custom
  • 3% (9)
    Unique Melody Miracle
  • 2% (6)
    KRK-KNS8400
  • 2% (5)
    Koss ESP950
230 Total Votes  
post #316 of 353

Getting my Ety's ER-4S after auditioning them the other day, they are definitely my reference for neutrality, I mean just look at that graph, the response accuracy is proven. Also I chose the HD600 as the most neutral because 1.quite a few audio engineers use it(can't really quote names but I'm sure) and a couple of friends learning acoustics are using it. I was kinda torn between the DT880 and HD600 though because both sound pretty neutral but ultimately HD600 won because I just have more exp with it. As for SR-009 tbh I never heard one, but to be neutral, you have gotta have a reference point, and I just can't think how to get a reference electrostat amp that has low distortion and yet is a top flight one.

post #317 of 353

I heard a company called Edifier bought STAX, thought you guys would be interested.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/584408/breaking-news-chinese-company-acquires-stax

post #318 of 353

I love my the sound of my Ety HF5 but my ear canals get chafed from repeaded insertion and removal. Is there anything that comes close in a closed can? The HF5 apparently matches the response of the ER4PT is anybody's more familiar with that model.

post #319 of 353
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Originally Posted by markanini View Post

I love my the sound of my Ety HF5 but my ear canals get chafed from repeaded insertion and removal. Is there anything that comes close in a closed can? The HF5 apparently matches the response of the ER4PT is anybody's more familiar with that model.


Have you tried using the foamies? I find that bi-flanges work best for me. Any bi-flanges will do. (just make sure they fit the stem).

post #320 of 353

I'm currently using small shure olives and still get sore from heavy use. I may have more sensitive skin around the ear canals than normal due to dust allergy. Just looking for a can to divide my time with that has un-stylized sonics similar to HF5.

post #321 of 353

Does the M50 have too much bass to be considered neutral?

post #322 of 353
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Does the M50 have too much bass to be considered neutral?



Bass is somewhat bloated with recessed mids, definitely not neutral

post #323 of 353

Lol, the ER4S over the UERM.  That's ridiculous.  All this poll represents now is what phones people use and have experience with.

post #324 of 353

What about the Westone 4?  I find them quite neutral in that no frequency range is specifically emphasized and all are covered quite well.

I see the Westone UM3 is included in the list which I actually found more mid-centric...imho.


Edited by ulnevrgtit - 1/6/12 at 8:47am
post #325 of 353
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Originally Posted by ulnevrgtit View Post

What about the Westone 4?  I find them quite neutral in that no frequency range is specifically emphasized and all are covered quite well.

I see the Westone UM3 is included in the list which I actually found more mid-centric...imho.



Mid-bass bump, lacking sub-bass extension. It is easy to listen to, though.

post #326 of 353

 

Disagree...imo the W4s presents evenly across the frequency range and go as low as any universal armature based iem I've heard.  Definely no mid-base "bump" imo. Below is what jude presents in the holiday guide which matches my opinion and most of the reviews ive read...and seems to differ with your response. It all subjective...to each his/her own.
 
"The Westone 4 is one of my favorite universal-fit IEMs, especially when I'm looking for a more tonally flat sound signature. And the 4's detail retieval is outstnding from bottom to top.  Across the audioband, the Wesone 4 does not provide any specific area of emphasis, and cerainly no over-emphassis.  Bass extends low, but without any extra weight imparted by the 4.  Though detailed throughout, I find the 4's midrange detail to be one of its greatest strengths-again, without any emphasis imparted to achieve it.  The treble balance is also excellent, with enough to provide some sparkle, but never enought to impart any edginess."
post #327 of 353

I would say it goes low for a BA type too, excellently low as a matter of fact. BA's aren't good for frequency range though, and it doesn't compare to a woofer, or some full-size headphones. You could say I'm being too harsh on the W4 for making the comparison on the subbass, but it fails to provide sufficient weight for timpani, double bass, organ, etc. Also, the bass bump is small; it creates a slight degree of warmth, not strictly neutral, but well balanced enough to play nicely with most music.

post #328 of 353
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Originally Posted by briskly View Post

I would say it goes low for a BA type too, excellently low as a matter of fact. BA's aren't good for frequency range though, and it doesn't compare to a woofer, or some full-size headphones. You could say I'm being too harsh on the W4 for making the comparison on the subbass, but it fails to provide sufficient weight for timpani, double bass, organ, etc. Also, the bass bump is small; it creates a slight degree of warmth, not strictly neutral, but well balanced enough to play nicely with most music.

 

Seems like more of a limitation of IEMs and even headphones in general due to their size limitations, clearly relevant in reproducing bass, especially sub-bass.  No iem/headphone I've heard present bass truly correct to my ears when compared to loudspeakers (i've not heard any orthos).  Out of curiosity, what if any IEM(s) that you've heard do you find neutral? 

 

post #329 of 353

Haven't heard too many iems now, can't say that fairly. None, though the W4 comes closer than most. Again, not too familiar with iems.

 

Full size, HD600 was wanting bass extension, HD650 wanted high treble. Have not tried the DT880 600ohm, but the 32/250 models are too bright for neutral. This is from memory, don't take it too seriously.

 

Real life has bass, damnit.basshead.gif

post #330 of 353

Doesn't Beyer DT250-250 belong here?

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