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Poll Results: Best Neutral IEM and Headphone 2011 (Pick 1 IEM and 1 Headphone only)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 18% (42)
    Etymotic ER-4S
  • 3% (7)
    Hifiman RE-272
  • 3% (9)
    Shure SE425
  • 1% (3)
    Sony EX510
  • 6% (15)
    Vsonic GR07
  • 3% (8)
    Westone UM3X
  • 8% (20)
    Audeze LCD-2
  • 13% (31)
    Sennheiser HD600
  • 11% (27)
    Sennheiser HD800
  • 7% (18)
    Beyerdynamic DT880
  • 3% (7)
    Shure SRH 840
  • 8% (19)
    AKG 702
  • 9% (21)
    Stax SR-009
  • 0% (1)
    Denon DN-HP1000
  • 0% (1)
    ESP950
  • 10% (24)
    Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor Custom
  • 3% (9)
    Unique Melody Miracle
  • 2% (6)
    KRK-KNS8400
  • 2% (5)
    Koss ESP950
226 Total Votes  
post #121 of 353
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

biggrin.gif - yep we definitely disagree on the SRH940 - but it seems to be polarising (no middle ground so far - you either like them or not).  BTW - I didn't call them harsh (not sure where you picked that up from).  To me they were anything but harsh.  They were warm and sweet rather than warm and dark (to me warm does not necessarily mean dark - although some here seem to think the two go hand in hand) - with a slightly dryish top end.  Analytical yes - balanced no.  If they corrected the mid-bass (lack of) I'd still have them.  It was the only thing keeping them from being a very nicely balanced can IMO.  I'm now waiting for SRH1040 - and hoping it will be a mix of the 840 and 940 wink.gif

 



Nah, I didn't think you thought they sounded harsh, I was just clarifying that I did not think they were.

 

Going back and reading it sure makes it sound like I thought you had accused them as such however.  Apologies!

post #122 of 353

Someone needs to start a "faux details" thread for the trebleheads.  Hyped treble giving the impression of added detail.  tongue.gif

post #123 of 353
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich View Post

Someone needs to start a "faux details" thread for the trebleheads.  Hyped treble giving the impression of added detail.  tongue.gif

I'll start that :)
 

 

post #124 of 353
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Originally Posted by nikp View Post

I'll start that :) 

 



Cool beerchug.gif I'll be subscribing popcorn.gif

post #125 of 353
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Originally Posted by nikp View Post

I'll start that :) 

 



Awesome.  That'll keep the trebleheads out of the neutral balanced  club.  :)

I'll have to avoid posting over there.  I'll end up saying something snarky like "y'all are just listening to faux details" or "rip your ears off treble" or the ever popular "piercing".  ;)

 

 

post #126 of 353

How can you tell the difference between "real" detail and "fake" detail/exaggerated treble, anyway?

 

The AD700 was definitely a treblehead can, that's for sure. I'm just trying to figure out if the SR-Lambda also skews more toward treblehead than balanced, though I would think that electrostatic drivers by their very nature can reveal more "real" detail due to their speed/transient response.

 

For that matter, where the heck do V-shaped signatures fall under? They have both exaggerated bass and treble at the expense of horridly recessed mids...

post #127 of 353
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich View Post

Awesome.  That'll keep the trebleheads out of the neutral balanced  club.  :)

I'll have to avoid posting over there.  I'll end up saying something snarky like "y'all are just listening to faux details" or "rip your ears off treble" or the ever popular "piercing".  ;)

 

 



You're my hero!!!!!  beerchug.gif

post #128 of 353

 

For the record I suggested IEM's when this was called "The analytical thread".

 

 

I do not approve of the IEM's I suggested being called "Neutral / Balanced".

 

 

post #129 of 353

 

-and by the way, why is there a slash between neutral and balanced, and why are both capitalized?

 

 

Neutral and balanced are not the same thing, if that's what the slash means :o)

 

I believe "balanced" pertains to FR, that the bass, mids and treble are all of equal balance, in respect to eachother.

 

NEUTRAL... the way I see it, means devoid of colour, and devoid of many other things, too... there really is no truly neutral IEM, you can only scale it, how neutral an IEM is on a scale of 1 to 10 for instance, that is how I see it.

 

Let's call neutrality 0, then the Sony EX600 might be a 3 or 4, for example.

 

 

Anyway, if you want to call the thead "neutral / balance" then add Sony MDR-V6 to the list......

 

 

post #130 of 353
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

Anyway, if you want to call the thead "neutral / balance" then add Sony MDR-V6 to the list......

 

 


Gaahhh!  Faux treble detail.  It's a treblehead can.

 

post #131 of 353
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

-and by the way, why is there a slash between neutral and balanced, and why are both capitalized?

 

 

Neutral and balanced are not the same thing, if that's what the slash means :o)

 

I believe "balanced" pertains to FR, that the bass, mids and treble are all of equal balance, in respect to eachother.

 

NEUTRAL... the way I see it, means devoid of colour, and devoid of many other things, too... there really is no truly neutral IEM, you can only scale it, how neutral an IEM is on a scale of 1 to 10 for instance, that is how I see it.

 

Let's call neutrality 0, then the Sony EX600 might be a 3 or 4, for example.

 

 

Anyway, if you want to call the thead "neutral / balance" then add Sony MDR-V6 to the list......

 

 


Slash means "or". The way I see neutral is a flat frequency graph - high fidelity sound reproduction. Please advise me which IEMs are not supposed to be on the list. etysmile.gif

 

post #132 of 353
Thread Starter 

I have an idea for the title -> Coldhead Club. It's because neutral headphones sounds so cold and unforgiving.

 

By the way, would anyone like to modify the IEM/Headphone list?

post #133 of 353

What about the K501? I really like them and I think they may fit this thread and they sound great...with a good amp that is :)

post #134 of 353
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Originally Posted by nikp View Post

I have an idea for the title -> Coldhead Club. It's because neutral headphones sounds so cold and unforgiving.

 

By the way, would anyone like to modify the IEM/Headphone list?


Um - no ......

 

HD600 - definitely neutral / balanced - but you would never call it cold .....

post #135 of 353
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikp View Post

Slash means "or". The way I see neutral is a flat frequency graph - high fidelity sound reproduction. Please advise me which IEMs are not supposed to be on the list. etysmile.gif

 



"Or" is a STUPID word.

 

The inclusive or exclusive?

 

This is a lash out at the english language, not you haha!  How hard would it have been to have a different word for either the exclusive or inclusive version of the word "or"?

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