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I read somewhere that turning Beats off does bad stuff to your sound, so the only way to truly listen without it is to uninstall it, but I think for that you might have to flash a Custom ROM, I'm not sure its possible to uninstall it even with TiBu
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Shure SRH1540 ordered - should be there until end of next week. Can't wait to hear how they compete against HD8 DJ and which phones I finally choose to stay.

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Did you not read my previous comments???
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

You have no idea what dubstep sounds like, do you

We are a friendly community, this sort of tone isn't going to get you a lot of help with your request for help with headphones. You are in a basshead thread, there are plenty of recommendation threads if you require help with anything else.

 

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The ONLY cans that have responded to my extreme slope turn out to be another set of JVC??

I've seen you say stuff like this before. Just quickly, if you're trying cans with different sensitivity, impedance, voltage requirements, driver size and frequency response - be careful not to just throw all of your bass boosting and EQ at it (from both your Cowon, and your E12), then discount the cans when they distort. Every can needs different treatment. For the kind of rumble you are after, you definitely need subtractive EQ, not additive boosting you've been throwing at it.

 

RE Beats audio discussion:

 

Switching Beats audio "ON" isn't all that bad. It gives a nice thump to the low end, and a bit of an edge to the highs. It's the sort of EQ a lot of people want, and more often than not, might help a more boring or neutral can become a little more fun.

The problem with Beats audio, is when it's turned "OFF". If you have a device with "BEATS", the "OFF" setting is actually a very mid-focused, rolled off EQ. It will deliberately roll bass and highs off, with a pretty nasty slope. The reasoning for this is simple: when testing the Beats profile, the difference between "ON" and "OFF" is larger, and more impressive. It gives the listener the idea of "Music is boring without BEATS turned on".

 

I made a thread on the sound science sub-forum about it, for anyone interested. 

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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post
 

Yeah, it makes me a bit sad to see people with great -- perhaps greater authority than they really should have -- authority on the forums, saying they sound "boring" and whatnot. I mean, they're definitely not flawless -- they have their flaws and they can only take you "so far". However, for the money, I find them good and quite excellent as your first foray into a more higher-end sound in headphones.

 

That being said, I do think they have been over-recommended as well. People recommending them to left and right with no respect to what people actually want from a headphone (or their stance on sound "enhancing" such as EQ:ing, etc.) and that's when it's almost guaranteed that they will upset and disappoint some people.

 

Some people just just aren't EQ-friendly and while I am, I can understand them wanting something very different in that situation.

 

Couldn't agree more! Well said.

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Even with EQing, I couldn't get satisfied with the M50's bass but mine didn't sound bass boosted to begin with and it lacked punchiness. It sounded very much like this measurement (Tyll's old M50 measurement which later on has been updated with a 2012 measurement which has a lot more bass).

I've found it doesn't work well to try EQ the midbass psychoaustic thump in there, so it has to have good quality or control/speed for the punchiness to come forth, compare say the feel of slam from drums in real life standing close to the drumset (that is one aspect pretty important for me).


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/5/14 at 2:37pm
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@razor5clI'm custom on a Galaxy S3. I use the Beats Audio Installer from Motioncoding . it has an option to completely remove the beats lib files from your system.
Edited by NewWaveAudio - 3/5/14 at 2:43pm
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I enjoy bass more than treble or mids, and I like it pounding my head, but if it drowns everything out, or changes frequencies or messes with the purity of the audio, count me out. I guess you could say I'm in the audiophile closet. I like bass cans, but there is a thing such as too much bass. I like the XX series because they have bass aplenty, and allow me to hear the mids and highs. I don't find highs annoying. Don't get me wrong. I AM a basshead, its just that I like to hear the other aspects of the music too. I prefer a slight emphasis on bass, with mids and highs at the same level. The xx's almost deliver that ideal (for me) flavor. I'm hoping that if I eq the sennheisers a little to give them an oomph(if that's possible with sennheisers) then I can have my ideals. Also, I need them for production purposes. How loud do sennheiser HD 598's get without distortion? I'm not expecting very loud, but possibly a little thump if they are Eq'd correctly. Then I'll get my balance of thumping bass, fantastic treble, and nice a nice mid range... Either way, I'm going to buy them. 85$? For 330$ headphones in new condition? Count me in! I like a little brightness every once in a while. JVC's are probably better for boosting that hard to hear low range though. My dad is going to buy the 598's for me.
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I'm sorry about what I said earlier. I didn't think it would really make anyone angry. Sorry guys. I should have thought a little more.
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Even with EQing, I couldn't get satisfied with the M50's bass but mine didn't sound bass boosted to begin with and it lacked punchiness. It sounded very much like this measurement (Tyll's old M50 measurement which later on has been updated with a 2012 measurement which has a lot more bass).

I've found it doesn't work well to try EQ the midbass psychoaustic thump in there, so it has to have good quality or control/speed for the punchiness to come forth, compare say the feel of slam from drums in real life standing close to the drumset (that is one aspect pretty important for me).

I actually tested the AT M50 today from a coworker and they reminded me of the JVC RX700 but a tighter more refined sound maybe? I didnt have the RX700 with me to compare only me MDR-X10. The bass..well, the only way I could get the bass I like was buy using the FiiO E17 instead of the E18 then pushing the bass all the way up almost and also adding bass with the Sony Xperia Z Ultra x-clarity options. It actually sounded very nice at that point but with the E18 for some music that I listen to with light bass, was not able to make me enjoy the music as much when using the M50s. Also, some tracks that have ultra low bass did not have the same impact. Still, a very nice headphone if EQed for my taste.
So overall, I still prefer my Sony as I like the warmer sound and knowing that if I need bass, I can push them to insanity pretty much, makes me happy.

Next test...the Momentum!


Edited by shaolin95 - 3/5/14 at 4:49pm
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Sennheiser momentums? I don't exactly think they are basshead cans, unless you don't really care. Yes, I heard they have an emphasis on bass, but basshead cans? Probably not.
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Keep us posted on the 1540s. I wanted to try a pair but spent all my spending cash lol.
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I've seen you say stuff like this before. Just quickly, if you're trying cans with different sensitivity, impedance, voltage requirements, driver size and frequency response - be careful not to just throw all of your bass boosting and EQ at it (from both your Cowon, and your E12), then discount the cans when they distort. Every can needs different treatment. For the kind of rumble you are after, you definitely need subtractive EQ, not additive boosting you've been throwing at it.

 

 

I get it. In fact I do it to eliminate cans that will within hours or days be given that slope and it's better to know sooner than later if it's gonna distort. The only cans I have named were ones I owned 2 versions of and are widely voiced as cannons. They are not IMO. Besides that I tend to not dump on anyone's happiness. Cans that are not good and cans that are not good for me....are not the same thing...I don't mix that up. 

 

I gotta work so let me leave you with this worthless factoid..truly worthless.

 

I used to play a game..we all did and it was to Identify Hz notes at 10Hz increments 120.110.100.90.80.70.60.50.40.30  (I could with subs i knew identify them in mixed order pretty easily. How many "audiophiles" can i.d.  1k 3k 5k 7k 9k 11k 13k notes in 5 second hits?  The upper end up the spectrum tends to get lots of adjectives thrown at it that sound very nice. The sub 120 range is not as complex despite the many adjectives/words assigned it. "Cannons" is a word used too often. I.M very H Opinion:D

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got the q40's today and the pandora. The q40s sound really good. the clamp has to be the tightest I have ever had peeerrriiiooood! the bass is above its price but not as loud as I thought. Its still loud though. I was just expecting something way more exaggerated. The pandora bass is just as much and a bit better but the balance of the pandora makes them seem like they are not as gassy because the mids and highs are forward. The pandora is just as loud in the bass and as thumping. 

 

Both are really good headphones.

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Beats audio just messes with the music, and detracts away from what the artist actually had in mind... STAY AWAY FROM BEATS AUDIO. Terrible. No built in Eq, just an on/off switch. I was messing with my friends HTC One, and beats audio when switched on made music quieter, and I think it just recodes the audio. It sounded as if the bitrate had decreased with beats audio on. Either way, STAY AWAY. Look into the others if you want. Oh another thing: Stay away from Dolby digital audio enhancer. It creates an unnecessary, way overly done soundstage that makes everything sound as if its in a 180 degree curve around your ears, and makes anything coming directly from the middle have a sort of echo effect, and makes it sound muffled. Not good. I prefer just a good old equalizer for audio adjustments.
The Dolby mod you are referring to is different than the one I use. I use Dolby Mobile. It comes with Acid. Bass and clarity was lacking when I disabled it.
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Dubstep and American pop music are pretty much the same thing...fortunately...lol

 

This is when you know you're getting old.  I listen to your big top 40 radio tunes in the traffic jam on the way to work and had no idea that today's pop music had dubstep elements - I thought it was a bastardisation.  I've had people show me dubstep, or was it drum and bass or maybe it was EDM...I can't remember, but I have know idea where one starts and another begins.

 

Old people like me eventually shut their minds in and do not respond to new music styles and stay in their old ways reminiscing of their teenage years and for me that was G-funk and Techno (rock as well of course, but this is the basshead thread).

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Do you guys even read before buying your headphones?!? LOL

The HD598s are known for NOT being basshead cans at all! They are very very enjoyable and comfortable (as well as good looking) but if you are looking for Bass Slam and Impact, those wont provide it... ... ..

 

Being a music producer is different.  To me the HD598 is somewhat neutral - not at all bass head, slightly bass lean - less than the ATHM50.  Producers can't mix with basshead cans otherwise the result on neutral setups would have zero bass.

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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

Beats audio just messes with the music, and detracts away from what the artist actually had in mind... STAY AWAY FROM BEATS AUDIO. Terrible. No built in Eq, just an on/off switch. I was messing with my friends HTC One, and beats audio when switched on made music quieter, and I think it just recodes the audio. It sounded as if the bitrate had decreased with beats audio on. Either way, STAY AWAY. Look into the others if you want. Oh another thing: Stay away from Dolby digital audio enhancer. It creates an unnecessary, way overly done soundstage that makes everything sound as if its in a 180 degree curve around your ears, and makes anything coming directly from the middle have a sort of echo effect, and makes it sound muffled. Not good. I prefer just a good old equalizer for audio adjustments.

 

I have Dolby headphone on my soundcard and I think in conjunction with an EQ it can give a crazy 'soundstage'.  This is something head-fiers seem to crave for so much in their headphones, not possible without DSP, yet they refuse DSP...you know typical audiophilia rubbish.

 

But I absolutely understand now that there is a divide between old man's obsession with what does not contribute to music - soundstage, due to old ways, where music was expressed by the youth via the typical 5 piece band.  Back then society was different and teenagers got together to form bands and they became your future music stars.  For the last ten years at least this has changed and teenagers are computer hip and when it comes to making music - no one has the time anymore to get together for a 5 piece ensemble.  A sole musician can express his musical creativity via advanced software all by oneself, with a pair of headphones.  I was in a 5 piece ensemble as a teenager, but in today's fast lifestyle "I aint got no time fo dat!".

 

This is the future of music and old folks - like me - can whine all they want about the good old days, but time never goes backwards only forwards.

 

This reminds me of a young Brazilian in his early twenties that I was room mates with only a couple of years ago and was so surprised that he was a good guitarist and loved the 70s and 80s rock...He was adament that Van Halen was going to comeback and the world will be as it once was again - music from the time before he was born.  As I get to know him...I finally realised it was all those 'Guitar Hero' video games that would have been smack bang as he was a young teenager.  Nice fad...but knowing how to play guitar does not get you girls anymore - this young man was good looking - and Brazilian, and he knew it, and he thought he was gods gift to women...yet he had no clue, he could'nt get the girls - guitars get guys no where - that died about 20 years ago.

 

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Sennheiser momentums? I don't exactly think they are basshead cans, unless you don't really care. Yes, I heard they have an emphasis on bass, but basshead cans? Probably not.

 

They are probably neutralish with more bass than the 598.  As a musician and producer I would have thought the HD600/650 would be more up your alley.

 

With the M50, they are not basshead cans at all, but there is a general aversion to bassheads in audiophilia - and newbs get turned off the M50 thinking they're basshead cans - because treble heads told them so.  That was the point.

 

 

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