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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

Thanks for the reply

So I run  Cowon>>>ZO>>>AMP>>>Cans?

Do you have experience with the Mach3bass. It's my best experience so far for low end tweaking. Do they sell em anymore because the website says sold out? I didn't get an email reply as to whether they would ship to Japan. I definitely want something like this....I am THE target...hit me!!!biggrin.gif  

Think I had it iPod --> E11 ---> ZO---> phone. Been a while but key I found was putting ZO in high gain.
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Thanks.It has my basshead radar pinging on all levels...I hope they release it soon cuz I am dying to try it out. They responded quickly and thoroughly.I always hope for smaller companies with quality products to get over the hump. I hope they can keep up with demands and line their pockets. Getting rich with mediocre fare seems to happen a lot in this industry. Seeing Mad dogs and this type of company makes me wanna support em if it's what i want.

 

 

 

BTW.

 

 

 

Is anyone else running their rig over the neck? crude design is actually quite comfy and I get NO scratches on anything. The Headphone audiophiles at the chainstore yesterday were giving it the Otaku seal of approval (I'm sure they could mod it better but this is the 3rd gen and it rotates, is balanced and has a fat strap so it doesn't dig into my neck like a noose.)

 

I heard the M-Audio Q40. I won't be negative but it's not what i had hoped. Now the rumored big brother...

 

    <<<<<50mm...I would like to meet your Mr HDH-50:veryevil: 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 2/18/14 at 8:33pm
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^that is music enthusiasm for ya... way to go

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

Those cans are for a niche' within Hip hop Kendrick Lamar's MaAd City CD sounds dope. Geto Boys.Lotta mix tapes and songs on the "Heavy Hitters" list for car audio. Ironically I have tuned them to play the way my subs did. They play 2pac's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFe8NmtFD2s Papaz Song which was inaudible with Beats studios. And other deep resonating throws. The vented earcups have some effect here. 





When I listen to my new Ultrasone 580's they sound too bright but I can fix that easy the sound stage is really nice but...they are often (every review on here) as having good bass. Not really. I took the Onkyo, Ath 50m, AKG 545 which have the same level of bass OFF my sig list because they are entry level audiophile cans with bassy sound. I learned when sitting with the 77x and 580's side by side (580's have 50mm drivers and are touted on ultrasones as being the ones in that series for bass) ..I learned "bassy" cans and Cannons are different things. The DT770's belong on the "Bassy" list IMO as they cannot thump anymore than AKG 545's and the COPS...I heard those many times and they are not cannons like the Yamaha 500, COPS do use an adjustable tuning port which gives a little more low end tuning so I like em but they are well made and comfortable but not go to cans for Hip hip..IMO.

 JVC 77x ,Yamaha Pro 500, V Moda 100, Beats executive, Denon D600.  (These are the only ones that hit harder than the Avg consumers first bass thump experience the Beats Studios) They all play better all around then their role model though Denon is a bit crazy on pricing. The V moda hit like Denons for 100 bucks less.

Price doesn't equal results in this jumbled field. I imagine the reference/studio/ audiophile headphones have a more price= quality tiered set of levels? In the Bass head area it is a mess. 


I just clearly read your question and realized I wrote a novel and didn't even answer it. Hip hop is my thing. That said...my sheer displeasure with the Ultrasone 580's (they sounded great amped in a store but in the quiet of my room ) they are not ever playing hip hop. Kinda sad but they CAN play Pink Floyd, Lynrd Skynrd, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Violent Femmes, Black flag, and R&B and Jazz. So the 580's have expanded my accessible audio portfolio. biggrin.gif

Its all about the isolation when trying out cans in stores. As the hfi 580s have decent isolation im sure they sounded better than most of the other cans. I would not consider them 'thumping' cans but they have extremely tight bass, which is great for speed and the highs and soundstage make it great for trancy stuff and edm. I just assumed your crazy eq made them get thumpier as the bass quality is good enough it responds very well to eq, as the bass, idk, lasts longer?

The djs are a different story smily_headphones1.gif

Once again, as the noise level of the room around you effects the sound so much, i would seriously recommend trying to audition higher end cans in quiet rooms if at all possible. The djs isolate insanely well, so im sure they would beat most other cans if auditioned in a noisy room. Just saying.
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Was offered a Digizoid 2.3 for $50. I'm saving up for the "La Figaro 339" at the moment, but I wonder if the 2.3 is not worth it due to hiss..

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Its all about the isolation when trying out cans in stores. As the hfi 580s have decent isolation im sure they sounded better than most of the other cans. I would not consider them 'thumping' cans but they have extremely tight bass, which is great for speed and the highs and soundstage make it great for trancy stuff and edm. I just assumed your crazy eq made them get thumpier as the bass quality is good enough it responds very well to eq, as the bass, idk, lasts longer?

The djs are a different story smily_headphones1.gif

Once again, as the noise level of the room around you effects the sound so much, i would seriously recommend trying to audition higher end cans in quiet rooms if at all possible. The djs isolate insanely well, so im sure they would beat most other cans if auditioned in a noisy room. Just saying.

 

I am a poor advisor of cans as I jack that portable over the neck rig and play cans at that setting (Cowon vol +34 Mach3Bass +8 BBE+10...and the e12 bass boost switched on)...use the amp as my volume adjuster

 

The DT770 and COPS were disasters but The V Moda, Yamaha Pro 500 etc slammed and sang. Very .."WOW". It's a unique amount of boosting but I did the tweaking over hours upon hours of listening and minor adjusts. It's so specific though that it makes my opinion almost worthless sans the most insane bassheads.

 

The 580's plugged into my ipod classic are horrible. With the Cowon better. Into an ipod nano? undetectable bass to me. I wasted money on the ipod classic. My 2nd worse purchase behind the Beats Studio.

 

Live and learn.

 

I know the auditioning is important. I do mine with that charged up portable bass blaster. It leads me towards my targets but it cannot evaluate others fairly like the Q40. Nice cans I'm sure but they were like the COPS with my settings. That's on me not the drivers.

 

When I get over my addiction/affliction I'll be more able to properly evaluate headphones.


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 2/18/14 at 10:32pm
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Dude, install rockbox onto the iPod classic. Full 5-band parametric EQ.

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Think I had it iPod --> E11 ---> ZO---> phone. Been a while but key I found was putting ZO in high gain.

 

Thanks. Is there another O3 Bass modifying/enhancing product like it? It seems it might be a bit till it's ready but I might try an alternative till that sexy thing is ready.

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@Hawaiibadboy,
Sorry but I don't know how you can hear anything but bass in your set up lol. I think the most of us here tend to look for more quality than quantity.

But, to each their own. Rock on dude
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ZO 2.3?

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No need for sorry. I'm sorry you can't hear what I do. Everybody who hears them (they are around my neck and can be passed to anyone..it happens a lot) are "WOW"ed by the sheer force. It's not their thing. But they know distortion when they hear it and they are not hearing any. Tuning a set of cans is  an art. I paint BASS. I can hear the mids and highs just fine but the Bass is front and center as opposed to being the backbone of most music. I was raised on Tchiakovsky piping over my parents sound system throughout the home. full orchestra. My Grandmother played Chello under conductor Aurthur Fiedler for the Boston Symphony Orchestra /Boston Pops. I got front row at the Boston Elsplanade' (Half Shell) and watched John Williams conduct some of the Hollywood movie scores he wrote for Speilberg on one special 4th of July and felt the power of a full orchestra in all it's power might and glory.

 

I don't for a second confuse my present taste with such combined musical artistry. I will someday move back towards where I once came. I will look for headphones that put me there infront of the full orchestra and I want to hear all the instruments. That day will come later.

 

2 weeks ago I met a guy with V-moda 100's who is a Military guy here in Japan and he's on my facebook. We met at a BBQ last Summer. He loves his music and plays in a band. He doesn't have an amp so it's not fair but we played the song in my sig on his ipod classic/V Moda 100 v.s. my Cowon +Amp+ $100 cans. It wasn't even close. He was blown. You can hear the whole spectrum but of course the BASS is assaulting your head with clean hard slams. 

 

I know what music is. I understand why drivers tasked with putting you infront of an Orchestra cost a mint. I'll pay a mint when i go back to wanting that.

 

I'm getting cheap thrills. If this was muddy or blown out it wouldn't be impressive. I coulda bought the MDR 1000 and said i had 70mm drivers and enjoyed my sweaty muddy day. These cheap cans when tuned slam beyond a safe listening level. Cleanly. It's fun. It's not serious. When I wanna remember the power of a full symphony I will get serious and I will pay serious.

 

I respect everyone in here. I'm not a moron though. I like my clean monster slams. I'll move on later and catch up in hi -fidelity later...hopefully before I cause real ear damage:D

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I know where you come from, I've already experienced what you are experiencing now many years ago already and I know how "monster" but clean bass output sounds like. In this case my secret weapon lied in the Audigy 2 ZS soundcard paired with the 3rd party drivers kX Audio (which is now pretty obsolete, the project doesn't seem to be worked on and besides the hardware on Audigy cards are getting very outdated). The secret lied in these 3rd party drivers which are written from scratch and doesn't work anywhere close to how Creative's own drivers do. There was a particularly impressively working 10-band EQ which worked directly on the hardware layer which is the cleanest sounding EQ I've ever used so far, it simply boosted the frequencies' volume, no distortion, no artefacts or phasing issues or whatever even after applying 20dB+ boosts(!), no distortion just higher volume! You could use the EQ as a gain switch pretty much and the BEST thing was that due to kX Audio's DSP plugin system, you could hook up how many EQs you wanted in succession until the card's resources ran out. xD 3 EQ's with +12dB boost (I never tried more than 4 EQs to keep my sanity intact haha), no problem if that's what you want until the natural physics laws of how much the hardware can handle sets the limit (obviously depended how high the master vol slider was set)! xD

I had XB500 configured with around 15dB boost when I was the most crazy... or well a Sennheiser HD212 Pro with 20dB+ something boost in bass. The bass literally shaked your head, you felt it, oh yes you did, some people would probably have felt sick afterwards listening to it due to how great force the bass pounded with. Once two schoolmates came over to my place and I let one of the guys demo the config and he gave the strangest kind of look "dude you gotta come check this out" and when the other guy put on the headphones he instantly smiled bigtime and they never had thought headphones could pound with such force, we're talking something like more than twice the force of Beats.

But over time, the preferences in sound tend to change, it does get boring after a while. As a youngster I only cared about the bass like you probably do now, later on I started liking very sharp V-shape response and abused EQ like so even if the headphones would be V-shaped to begin with, like crazy amounts. TODAY, I absolutely HATE V-shape sound, I prefer "^--" shape response, boosted bass but as even mids and highs as possible and the bass amount I now prefer is nowhere near the levels I used to prefer, if it was like 25~30dB worth of bass boost when my addiction for bass was the worst, then today it's more like 10~15dB range, quite a change. No I don't think I will ever be cured of basshead decease but I have heavily shifted now towards finding the ideal levels where "quantity meets quality", I want as much bass as possible where I can still maintain decent detail in overall sound. When you start talking about these kinds of monstrous bass levels DETAIL will be impacted no matter what your setup is (it's in the laws of physics), the difference as an extreme basshead is that you don't care if you lose those details, but the longer I've been into this hobby the more and more I've started to care about that why I've gradually moved to less and less bass to find the ideal levels where quality meets quantity. Today for my taste that goes roughly whit headphones that got about 8~10dB of bass boost on their own depending on their bass quality a bit and then further giving slight boost with the digiZoid ZO amp (this works better from my experience than going for an extreme basshead headphone with zero or very slight bass boost).

The Q40 + digiZoid ZO2.1 can still provide me slight amount ear tickling sensation when the beat drops in the hardstyle tracks that I pretty much listen exclusively to these days and been doing so a while ago and I also use that aspect to measure that the bass levels are on a suitable level when mastering newcomer's tracks as all the retail tracks typically provide very slight amount ear-tickling sensation still and then I know it's on a suitable level (it's like having a meter starting to blink when the bass levels are set on a proper level :p) which is why I find it easier to master with this still significant bass boost than zero boost as I simply aim to make the newcomer's track sound like the retail ones do on my setup.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/19/14 at 8:01am
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 The Q40 + digiZoid ZO2.1 can still provide me slight amount ear tickling sensation when the beat drops in the hardstyle tracks that I pretty much listen exclusively to these days and been doing so a while ago and I also use that aspect to measure that the bass levels

 

LOL

 

I think that will always be how I initially "sense" a pair of headphones. I am appreciative of you taking the time. I will mature. My ears need me to. Your lucky you can still hear:D

I got a tad bit of damage to my left ear because I didn't wear earplugs in SPL competitions. The guy with the meter wore em...I shoulda too. The reflection off the drivers window which was maybe 8 inches at most from my head used to leave me almost deaf in that ear for hours...then ringing...and nnnnnnnnn a kinda humm. Then it went away.

 

That smile your friends had when they heard your cans.....that..THAT is the stuff. You know they never heard that....not like THAT!!!:L3000: I like that look. I feel a kind of pride especially if they think they know Bass...no...you know Beats and clones....you don't know Bass. You know. you showed your friends. You were an ambassador to Planet Bass. I am welcoming folks to that sonic signature but I will grow out of it. I think. Thanks again for the thoughtful post. 

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I always wear hearing protection on gigs - so important. My hearing is my job and career! 

 

Nowdays I wear customs, and plug them into my phone. That way, if I'm in a nightclub or at a festival, and someone texts me/rings me, I will know straight away (I can hear it).

 

Protect your hearing! You don't want to be old, love headphones, and not be able to hear. The horror!

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I don't even go to events (one reason is actually fear of hearing loss haha), a few times I've been in nightclubs but that's about it. xD Yea if I actually went somewhere today I'd definitely get something, even cheap ones do the job pretty well or should I say much better than nothing at all. Better safe than sorry. 

At home I listen to a constant same level all the time, it's not overly loud, even as a basshead junkie, it doesn't mean I enjoy pumping the volume because I don't, that's why I'm looking for bass boosted headphones in the first place so I don't have to pump up the volume to the point the mids & highs become dangerously loud. By using a certain level of volume you grow acoustomed to listen to lower volume, it may be boring at first but if you are consistent about it, you might even start to enjoy the lower volume as hard as it may seem at first but that's the prob, as long as you KEEP turning the volume up and down, your lust for pumping the volume will always be there so you have to be consistent. Since I can listen for many hours a day due to my hobby (promoting hardstyle music on my youtube channel, providing feedback, mastering tracks etc or simply enjoy listening), for me it seems like no choice if I want to be able to use my ears as a measuring instrument also in the future.

(it also brings other positive things as a mixing/mastering engineer on a hobbyist level, the ability to judge tracks better due to listening to the same volume levels all the time you get acoustomed to how it "should" sound like in average)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/19/14 at 2:38pm
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