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http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/delightful-onkyo-es-fc300-and-es-hf300

Didn't ad the "es"..sorry. Surprised Google gave you nothing with Onkyo HF 500. Titanium drivers. Better deeper bass than ath m50 (for reference). These are clear but bassy cans like my hfi 580. Same as....(just looked at my link and it's 300's.) I listened to a set called 500's in Japan. Maybe renaming? The driver design as described in the link is identical to what I saw on the box. It was over ear. Not on ear. If I can get a pic of them I'll post it.




from http://www.techdigest.tv/headphones_earp/

These are an enigmas as there are on ear and over ear versions with the same name ? They thump. These and the AKG 545 are very punchy but handle all types. I have some buyers remorse at getting the 580's cuz these were (pictured) very very good at what the 580's do. These are far better than the m50's IMO .

The link is for onkyo hf 300s.
Not 500s. :/

Edit - shouldve read more :3
Edited by sloomingbla - 2/17/14 at 7:24pm
post #9167 of 11259
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I do not get how the beyers are always recommended for bassheads... the bass compared to the rest of the FR is good in quantity but I havent heard one that is solid or with really good impact. THe closest was the dt770 but still there are a lot better imo. 

 

If you want impact. Man...it's ALL I have wanted...

 

Get the 57mm JVC 77x They stomp on COP, 770,V-moda 100, Yamaha pro 500.

 

1 JVC 77x (Unrivaled under 600 bucks...haven't ear tested anything over that range) 

2. Yamaha Pro 500 series

3. Beats Executive

4. V Moda 100

 

These are the only 4 that rattle my head. The gap between #1 and 2 is large. The gap between #2   and #3 and #4 in noticeable.

 

The Beyer COPS and the like a low sinking bass. "Bassy" cans RPGWizard nailed the 770's sound. It isn't gonna punch your ears. Some folks want that.The Punch, Impact....the "Holy crap listen to this bass hit" kinda utterences as you pass your cans to a friend to hear. THAT kind of hit I have only found in the 4 I mentioned. They are Bass cans with some other skills but they are not "Bassy" like m50, 770,

post #9168 of 11259
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

If you want impact. Man...it's ALL I have wanted...

Get the 57mm JVC 77x They stomp on COP, 770,V-moda 100, Yamaha pro 500.

1 JVC 77x (Unrivaled under 600 bucks...haven't ear tested anything over that range) 
2. Yamaha Pro 500 series
3. Beats Executive
4. V Moda 100

These are the only 4 that rattle my head. The gap between #1 and 2 is large. The gap between #2   and #3 and #4 in noticeable.

The Beyer COPS and the like a low sinking bass. "Bassy" cans RPGWizard nailed the 770's sound. It isn't gonna punch your ears. Some folks want that.The Punch, Impact....the "Holy crap listen to this bass hit" kinda utterences as you pass your cans to a friend to hear. THAT kind of hit I have only found in the 4 I mentioned. They are Bass cans with some other skills but they are not "Bassy" like m50, 770,

If u want impact.... You should REALLY try the signature djs. The bass just feels real. On any song, not just over the top bass songs. Its got that punchiness for sure, even without an eq. I havent heard the pro 900 but i have heard it has more bass but a ton of treble too. With an eq to make them have similar levels of bass, im just gonna assume the djs will hit harder.

Can feel the bass hit on my hands when i hold the cups at around 60-70% volume just powered by an iphone with no eq.
Edited by sloomingbla - 2/17/14 at 7:32pm
post #9169 of 11259

Basshead checking in with M100's and some Mixrs sitting on reserve.

 

I love shaking bass, but I really can't endorse the "bass only" phones. There's a handful of less expensive cans that are just giant piles of bass with the other frequencies as an afterthought (and no, I don't consider the Beats to be one of them), and man. I mean, yeah, it's nice to get your jaw vibrating, but unless it's in the context of the song it's just like strapping a massage wand to your head. 

 

Like, take one of my favorite tracks to crank and see what the cans can do:

 

 

I think it's a great track to see what headphones are capable of because of the RIDICULOUSLY heavy bass line. If it gets my teeth quaking, we're off to a good start. But if the lurching synths and piano are gone? Well now it's just a dead hum. Not very enjoyable. If it means sacrificing a shade of bass power... I'm willing to live with that.

 

But I've heard the memory foam pads make the M100's have even more bass, so I'm looking to check dem out.

post #9170 of 11259
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post


If u want impact.... You should REALLY try the signature djs. The bass just feels real. On any song, not just over the top bass songs. Its got that punchiness for sure, even without an eq. I havent heard the pro 900 but i have heard it has more bass but a ton of treble too. With an eq to make them have similar levels of bass, im just gonna assume the djs will hit harder.

Can feel the bass hit on my hands when i hold the cups at around 60-70% volume just powered by an iphone with no eq.

 

I almost bought the 900 pro's. The bass impact was a bit less than the JVC and the highs were sparkly like the 580's but better.

 

I'm still searching for something to dethrone the JVC in quantity and quality...the 900 couldn't do it but I'm a Bass extremophile:D 

 

btw. I have seen the signature Dj's but not gotten my amp jacked into one :mad:


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 2/17/14 at 8:37pm
post #9171 of 11259
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Basshead checking in with M100's and some Mixrs sitting on reserve.

 

I love shaking bass, but I really can't endorse the "bass only" phones. There's a handful of less expensive cans that are just giant piles of bass with the other frequencies as an afterthought (and no, I don't consider the Beats to be one of them), and man. I mean, yeah, it's nice to get your jaw vibrating, but unless it's in the context of the song it's just like strapping a massage wand to your head. 

 

Like, take one of my favorite tracks to crank and see what the cans can do:

 

 

 

I think it's a great track to see what headphones are capable of because of the RIDICULOUSLY heavy bass line. If it gets my teeth quaking, we're off to a good start. But if the lurching synths and piano are gone? Well now it's just a dead hum. Not very enjoyable. If it means sacrificing a shade of bass power... I'm willing to live with that.

 

But I've heard the memory foam pads make the M100's have even more bass, so I'm looking to check dem out.

That bass hit takes over a minute to appear.

Click the link in my sig for a harder hit in 6 seconds (save you 54 seconds of your life;)...also has Rick Ross) The M 100's exhibit similar qualities to the Yamaha 500 pro but Yamaha owns them in volume and clarity....and JVC owns the Yamaha. Your not gonna sacrifice anything on the upper freq with JVC which is too bright (the ultimate V signature) 

 

The Bass quality debate can go on endlessly...the clean high impact shake your head bass is easier to pin down. The vented cups with 57mm drivers are the kings. I hope RPG Wizard who knew the 55's gives the 77's an amped review. They are ridiculously better than the 55's and superior in sonic impact to v moda 100 Beats Pro/Executive, Yamaha Pro 500

post #9172 of 11259
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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post


The link is for onkyo hf 300s.
Not 500s. :/

Edit - shouldve read more :3

Nah, totally my bad. The model # changes between in Japan and elsewhere are constantly confusing.and making searches for what I heard in a Japanese store take longer than it should. I wrote 500 repeatedly and I swear it's that on the box but no pic no proof. These are identical and they seem to have on ear and over ear named the same... They sound great. The titanium drivers purr like a kitty and it slams. 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

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Originally Posted by MrRockliffe View Post
 

 

COPs are on a different level. You need to hear them to see the difference compared to DT770 etc

 

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Yea COPs are almost like an inversion of typical Beyer sound. Big pounding bass with lots of midbass presence (typical Beyer phone is subbass skewed) and the highs are slightly veiled (Beyers tend to have a bit emphasized highs). "\" shape sound with not ideal clarity in the mids but in comparison to the 770 they are more forward/up-front. Overall a bit too warmish in order to maintain a true hi-fi sound, microdetails get caught up a little in the warmth but yea very unusual sound for a Beyer headphone. If you don't like a lot of highs presence and enjoy boosted bass and reasonably forward mids then COPs are for you. Of course can be EQ'd though, but that's the stock signature.

No offense guys but that was literally second worse audio purchasing experience ever second only to the sony v6...  I wanted to like that hp sooo much. I actually still want to like it and might even buy it again ot hear it with my more experience on my side. 

 

It was like my second serious headphone and I bought after my hdj 2000 got stolen at the airport. Before those I only had the V6 and then cheapy skull candy's and a broken sony xb300. When I got it tt made me miss my hdj 2000 that much more. I found the bass to be very loose and to me it sounded like a better version of the v6. It sounded like the bass was not solid at all. But I almost think I had a bad pair and really want one again. So I think I will do myself a favor and get another one to see how they hold up. 

 

 

https://soundcloud.com/hww-recordings/kaelin-ellis

https://soundcloud.com/nickraymondg

 

couple of tracks I liked the bass on. The first one the cop sounded bad to me. but it may sound bad to everyone anyway


I wouldn't say they have forward mids at all. I find they're much better suited to electronic over anything else. If you're not a fan of hard hits and low frequency oscillation, the COPs probably aren't for you.

Bounce (Danny Howard remix) is a great example where these cans shine.

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post #9174 of 11259
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I do not get how the beyers are always recommended for bassheads... the bass compared to the rest of the FR is good in quantity but I havent heard one that is solid or with really good impact. THe closest was the dt770 but still there are a lot better imo. 

 

If you want impact. Man...it's ALL I have wanted...

 

Get the 57mm JVC 77x They stomp on COP, 770,V-moda 100, Yamaha pro 500.

 

1 JVC 77x (Unrivaled under 600 bucks...haven't ear tested anything over that range) 

2. Yamaha Pro 500 series

3. Beats Executive

4. V Moda 100

 

These are the only 4 that rattle my head. The gap between #1 and 2 is large. The gap between #2   and #3 and #4 in noticeable.

 

The Beyer COPS and the like a low sinking bass. "Bassy" cans RPGWizard nailed the 770's sound. It isn't gonna punch your ears. Some folks want that.The Punch, Impact....the "Holy crap listen to this bass hit" kinda utterences as you pass your cans to a friend to hear. THAT kind of hit I have only found in the 4 I mentioned. They are Bass cans with some other skills but they are not "Bassy" like m50, 770,


I found the custom one pros as really bassy. I can feel the hitting my head and shaking during LFOs. I don't know what you've been listening to?

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post #9175 of 11259
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Originally Posted by MrRockliffe View Post


I found the custom one pros as really bassy. I can feel the hitting my head and shaking during LFOs. I don't know what you've been listening to?

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I've been listening to the 

1 JVC 77x (Unrivaled under 600 bucks...haven't ear tested anything over that range) 

2. Yamaha Pro 500 series

3. Beats Executive

4. V Moda 100

 

I don't..my opinion...I don't find the COPS do be on the same level of head thumping as the ones I listed. 

 

I'm learning that "really bassy" like DT 770 ,ATH 50m, Hfi 580, Onkyo He 300, AKG 545 and COPS among others...means having good low frequency response. 

If somebody like many...like me were drawn in by Beats thumping bass and actually want more of that and better overall sound staging and upper freq detail then I can say with confidence the 4 I named will do that. 

 

I am new to this branch of audio. I have listened to a lot but just a fraction of what is available. Of those only 4 cans beat the Beats at their own thummping game, exceed them and present a better stage. I have only found 4. The COPS and other bassy cans I have all tried. I own the Hfi 580's and they are  "Bassy"  The physical impact and quality on the bass freq  given off by Yamaha pro 500 (not 300,400 series) and the other 3 are on another level.

 

I like that level. :L3000: 

This is my opinion. There are many of those on this board...this one is mine:cool:


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 2/18/14 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

I've been listening to the 

1 JVC 77x (Unrivaled under 600 bucks...haven't ear tested anything over that range) 

Wait a minute, I just realized. You mean the JVC 77x that costs less than $100? 

 

THAT JVC 77x?

 

Unrivaled under six times that price?

 

You know, I might concede that under $600 you won't find another headphone that has its bass output, but I guess if literally all that matters to you is rumble then... sure. It's a good purchase, then. I'm reminded of the Sony X05's. They are significantly bassier than either the Beats Mixrs or the VMODA M100s, but I just couldn't listen to them. Everything was muddy and sounded like ass. I would have LOVED to spend $100 instead of $300, but good lord how can someone call that an enjoyable experience? Is the goal of the music just to have vibrations? If so, I'd say check out the Sony X05 and X10. Giant piles of bass, and probably sound better than the JVC.

 

Me, I want my bass to be earth-shattering without pulling away from the rest of the music. I'm a firm believer that it's not too much bass until your rear view mirrors fall off, but if I'm sitting in someone's car and they left the rest of the radio stock? I don't care how big the subs are, it's not enjoyable any more. :/ 

 

But like you said, this is all just opinion. If you're enjoying the JVC, keep on enjoying them.

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Just to clear things up Hawaiibadboy. You belong to the more "extreme basshead" that is mostly looking for cans that have the biggest head thumping. But this basshead club is also consisting of people who wants very subtle bass boost with good overall sound quality (good balance with mids & highs, soundstaging, detail).

I'd estimate roughly 60~70% of the people here probably enjoys 2-3x less bass than you on a daily basis. Not saying this to offend you but to understand why some people may get the wrong idea about some of your posts, it's not only a club for the "EXTREEEME" who are looking for the baddest but also for people who enjoy say 5dB bass boost which is barely noticeable. As long as you enjoy north of "neutral" bass response the "Basshead club" has its door open so to speak. I've even seen a few "quality bass" enthusiasts around here which is into cans like Audeze LCD-2 which is hardly any big thumpers as they are $1000 hi-fi and open-back cans but yea... 

Personally for example I prefer cans with around 8~10dB stock boost and then pairing with digiZoid ZO amp and boost the bass a little further with that. Extreme basshead cans like Sony XB series, V-Moda LP1/LP2 JVC Xtreme Xplosives series is a bit too much for what I'm looking for (hurting overall audio quality), for example. I want something right in-between mildly boosted basscans such as Audio Technica M50, V-Moda M80 (~5dB boost) and extreme basshead cans like Sony XB, JVC Xtreme Xplosives, Beats Solo (13~16dB) etc. Due to the nature of head-fi, people still want overall audio quality, the bass alone isn't always enough.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/18/14 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Wait a minute, I just realized. You mean the JVC 77x that costs less than $100? 

 

THAT JVC 77x?

 

Unrivaled under six times that price?

 

You know, I might concede that under $600 you won't find another headphone that has its bass output, but I guess if literally all that matters to you is rumble then... sure. It's a good purchase, then. I'm reminded of the Sony X05's. They are significantly bassier than either the Beats Mixrs or the VMODA M100s, but I just couldn't listen to them. Everything was muddy and sounded like ass. I would have LOVED to spend $100 instead of $300, but good lord how can someone call that an enjoyable experience? Is the goal of the music just to have vibrations? If so, I'd say check out the Sony X05 and X10. Giant piles of bass, and probably sound better than the JVC.

 

Me, I want my bass to be earth-shattering without pulling away from the rest of the music. I'm a firm believer that it's not too much bass until your rear view mirrors fall off, but if I'm sitting in someone's car and they left the rest of the radio stock? I don't care how big the subs are, it's not enjoyable any more. :/ 

 

But like you said, this is all just opinion. If you're enjoying the JVC, keep on enjoying them.

 

I got the 55's on a whim and the 77's on a hunch. I never expected one to equal and the other to demolish Beats Executives and V-Moda. I get the skepticism.  The 77's hit Hrder than the Ultrasone 900's that cost 600. The others I haven't tried at that range as they usually don't let you touch the very expensive ones with an amp. I totally understand your skepticism.

 

The Sony on ear 05's are not even as good as my Hfi 580's. It's a clean hit. It's a vented 57mm driver and they really put a nice wallop on your head.....at it's price?...I don't know why?...cuz it's ugly? I can't explain why it costs what it does and hits as hard as it does.

 

FYI

I amp everything I compare with the e12 bass boost on +6 (inaudible to 80Hz boost) and Mach3Bass +8  (boost centered around 50Hz)

 

I respect your opinion but have another one :) 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Just to clear things up Hawaiibadboy. You belong to the more "extreme basshead" that is mostly looking for cans that have the biggest head thumping. But this basshead club is also consisting of people who wants very subtle bass boost with good overall sound quality (good balance with mids & highs, soundstaging, detail).

I'd estimate roughly 60~70% of the people hear probably enjoys 3x less bass than you on a daily basis. Not saying this to offend you but to understand why some people may get the wrong idea about some of your posts, it's not only a club for the "EXTREEEME" who are looking for the baddest but also for people who enjoy say 5dB bass boost which is barely noticeable. As long as you enjoy north of "neutral" bass response the "Basshead club" has its door open so to speak. 

Personally for example I prefer cans with around 8~10dB stock boost and then pairing with digiZoid ZO amp and boost the bass a little further with that. Extreme basshead cans like Sony XB series, V-Moda LP1/LP2 JVC Xtreme Xplosives series is a bit too much for what I'm looking for, for example. I want something right in-between mildly boosted basscans such as Audio Technica M50, V-Moda M80 (~5dB boost) and cans like Sony XB, JVC Xtreme Xplosives, Beats Solo (13~16dB) etc. Due to the nature of head-fi, people still want overall audio quality, the bass alone isn't enough.

This is what I thought too since he loves that awful 77x, but than he turns around and calls the K545 and Onkyo basshead. He's all over the place with his opinions. I can't take someone like this seriously. I love my bass, but I like them clean and accurate and I also like the rest of the music as well.


Edited by RoMee - 2/18/14 at 4:23am
post #9180 of 11259
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Just to clear things up Hawaiibadboy. You belong to the more "extreme basshead" that is mostly looking for cans that have the biggest head thumping. But this basshead club is also consisting of people who wants very subtle bass boost with good overall sound quality (good balance with mids & highs, soundstaging, detail).

I'd estimate roughly 60~70% of the people here probably enjoys 2-3x less bass than you on a daily basis. Not saying this to offend you but to understand why some people may get the wrong idea about some of your posts, it's not only a club for the "EXTREEEME" who are looking for the baddest but also for people who enjoy say 5dB bass boost which is barely noticeable. As long as you enjoy north of "neutral" bass response the "Basshead club" has its door open so to speak. I've even seen a few "quality bass" enthusiasts around here which is into cans like Audeze LCD-2 which is hardly any big thumpers as they are $1000 hi-fi and open-back cans but yea... 

Personally for example I prefer cans with around 8~10dB stock boost and then pairing with digiZoid ZO amp and boost the bass a little further with that. Extreme basshead cans like Sony XB series, V-Moda LP1/LP2 JVC Xtreme Xplosives series is a bit too much for what I'm looking for (hurting overall audio quality), for example. I want something right in-between mildly boosted basscans such as Audio Technica M50, V-Moda M80 (~5dB boost) and extreme basshead cans like Sony XB, JVC Xtreme Xplosives, Beats Solo (13~16dB) etc. Due to the nature of head-fi, people still want overall audio quality, the bass alone isn't always enough.

 

I get it.

It's not a muddy mess of a hit. It's a hard head pounding jaw rattling slam. It's what I wanted but I get that most folks want more.

 

I'm a fanboy of the 77's and a couple months ago I never heard or seen them. I got caught by surprise. Hit me perfect.

 

No sweat to others. This is my thing. We can all enjoy our own things in our own way and enjoy together:D

 

Peace and love....and....oh yeah.....BASS:L3000:

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