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post #8506 of 11259
So I found this video comparing the E5, E11, and ZO2. If you guys can please watch it and leave some feedback on what you think about the results, I would really appreciate it.
Link: http://youtu.be/tLLB-htnuq4
From what he said, the e11 is the best out of the three, and apparently the ZO2 causes some distortion in bass. Anybody have the same issue or agree with what he says and concluded? I want to love the ZO2, its the prefect size for me, I love the design, etc., but I haven't heard either yet so ill have to make my own decision eventually, but for now what do you guys think? Maybe the ZO3 will be better than all of them anyways.
I'm getting kinda ahead of myself, I haven't even gotten my headphones yet lol, short on time. But I do like to plan ahead and I seem to always stress over stuff, that will be the downfall of me one day lol.

I actually found his thread on the comparison here on HeadFi
http://www.head-fi.org/t/594082/digizoid-zo2-pro-900-distortion-vs-fiio-e5-e11-video
Edited by ShibeSuchBass - 12/23/13 at 1:52pm
post #8507 of 11259

Hi All,

 

I bought a Dt770 premium 32ohm headset with velours pads. Was expecting a bass monster. But it wasn't at all. i would almopst call it neutral or even a treble headphone. Definitely not bassy.

is the pros 80ohm the bass monsters?

post #8508 of 11259
I recommended the E11 by itself over zo because it has waaaaay more power than the zo, and the amp will make more of a difference than just the bass boost alone. E11 also has a bass boost, but it is completely different from the bass the zo puts out.
Yes the Dac will benefit your computer listening sessions.
As far as your question on zo distorting, when used by itself; yes the bass distorts for me. Simply because the zo itself doesn't have enough power for cans. Combined with an amp the zo shows what it can do; however.
post #8509 of 11259

With ZO2.3 I felt with Q40, it will sound fine at my usual listening level (pretty low~medium and I always stick to that same vol level) but slightly north of that the bass starts distorting (say ~25% windows vol as opposed to 19~20%). With the older version, ZOv2.1, that I'm usually using with Q40 that I absolutely adore with this particular setup that is significantly more powerful I can listen at dangerously high volume levels before bass starts distorting. So yes I do feel v2.3 (more similar specs to ZO1) is a bit underpowered and v2.1 (that was meant to be "ZO2" but was withdrawn due to hissing issues with IEMs + unability to use it with a LOD) was sufficiently powered. Comparing from my old motherboard's onboard sound and maxing the vol on both ZO's, I get roughly same output volume on 14% windows volume on ZO2.1 compared to 19~20% with ZO2.3 -- a significant difference.

Therefore I'd go with E11 in this case, ZO3 will have better amping and likely won't have this issue as the ZO2.1 I'm using suggests. If any amp benefits from sufficient power to functional ideally, the ZO certainly does. Amps usually don't even work that great double-amped, ZO does since it seems to be proprietary fully analog design. Everything points to that the current ZO would work significantly better if it had more power behind it. The SmartVektor tech probably sounds better as a result from better amping too. I get that feeling comparing v2.1 vs v2.3.

I'm sure the digiZoid crew learnt from their mistake with ZO2 launch, they have a very knowledgable engineer behind all this tech stuff but they are pretty green when it comes to running a business (well it was started as a family owed business) and scheduling a product launch in a realistic way and their ZO2 launch was too optimistic set and launched too fast  but they have taken their time with ZO3. :p  


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 12/23/13 at 4:56pm
post #8510 of 11259
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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post

Combined with an amp the zo shows what it can do; however.

 

i haven't tried double amping the zo2.3...i should try it with my e17.

 

source->e17->zo

or

source->zo->e17

?

post #8511 of 11259

Good question but i can't guarantee the right answer. Most here say amp to zo, for me it doesn't work. Me and a few friends go zo to amp.

When i go amp first, i get early distortion and, a sound sig that i don't like. When I go zo first, it is pure heaven.

post #8512 of 11259

Try both and see which way works for you

post #8513 of 11259
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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post

Good question but i can't guarantee the right answer. Most here say amp to zo, for me it doesn't work. Me and a few friends go zo to amp.
When i go amp first, i get early distortion and, a sound sig that i don't like. When I go zo first, it is pure heaven.
I know this isn't really my place to give some feedback, but based on what I've heard from reviews and videos, I agree its better to go ZO, then to another amp. Reason being because I've heard that the ZO cleans up the audio a bit and then the amp after that can be used for whatever you want like bass boost so it adds that effect you want to te cleaner audio produced by the ZO. That's my $.02 on that if it matters. Wish I could do a set up like that but the coin is low on my end frown.gif But then I dont want to carry around 2 amps and my ipod lol.
post #8514 of 11259
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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post

I recommended the E11 by itself over zo because it has waaaaay more power than the zo, and the amp will make more of a difference than just the bass boost alone. E11 also has a bass boost, but it is completely different from the bass the zo puts out.
Yes the Dac will benefit your computer listening sessions.
As far as your question on zo distorting, when used by itself; yes the bass distorts for me. Simply because the zo itself doesn't have enough power for cans. Combined with an amp the zo shows what it can do; however.
What is the difference if the E11 has more power? I assume you can go to higher volumes? idk that's why I'm asking lol. What difference will the e11 also do besides the bass boost? Lastly, you said the E11 puts out different bass than the ZO, how so? like what difference is in the bass sound each produces?
I wish all the benifits of both could be put into one small amp like the ZO2, love its size. Hopefully the ZO3 will be better than both.
post #8515 of 11259

Amping your headphone, isn't only about the volume (although I know everyone thinks that when they first come here. Myself  included). The power put out completely changes the sound that the headphones put out. Depending on the power and synergy of the amp and headphone,  it could sound like something completely different. 

 

As far as the bass produced by the zo and E11 (or fiio's in general), the E11 is more about impact, and the zo is more about rumble, body, and blackness. The fiio bass is the typical bass boost an amp will give, the zo..... it's really something you have to hear to understand. I doubt you can understand the sound from my description alone.

post #8516 of 11259
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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post
 

Amping your headphone, isn't only about the volume (although I know everyone thinks that when they first come here. Myself  included). The power put out completely changes the sound that the headphones put out. Depending on the power and synergy of the amp and headphone,  it could sound like something completely different. 

 

As far as the bass produced by the zo and E11 (or fiio's in general), the E11 is more about impact, and the zo is more about rumble, body, and blackness. The fiio bass is the typical bass boost an amp will give, the zo..... it's really something you have to hear to understand. I doubt you can understand the sound from my description alone.

I know amping isnt only about volume, i just thought the more power the amp has, the higher you can turn it up, but i know that the amp itself is not just for volume at all.

 

i think i do understand what you mean in the second part. As you describe them, the e11 hits harder, the impact is,,, well harder, i cant really explain besides a harder hitting bass, but i think i get you there. The zo, by your description, is more bulky, and has more... body, i think the way you described them are the only ways lol, but i do understand. I also heard in a review that the zo makes the silent parts more "black" like there is no hissing sound, and cleans up the audio. I shouldnt be stressing over this, i prob wont get an amp soon, but if i do or can get one soon, im on the fence for both, but i think i would rather wait for the ZO3.

post #8517 of 11259
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Originally Posted by quisxx View Post
 

Try both and see which way works for you

 

cheers, will do.

 

i just realised that i'm already double amping the ZO when i use it with my clip zip...if i double amp the ZO and e17, i'd actually be triple amping! so it's probably better for me to try double amping using my ipod touch + LOD as source. or even better, using the e17 as usb dac (e17->zo option only, obviously).

 

unfortunately e17 doesn't work as usb dac with my nokia N8 (because it draws too much power), so i can't use e17(usb dac)->zo as a portable setup anyway. e7 would work, but unfortunately e17 doesn't.

post #8518 of 11259
I've tried to tell myself I'm not a basshead but alas. My headphones speak for me! LA-D2000, DT770 premiums and soon enough HE-400.

You guys got any dac/amp recommendatios under 500? I currently have a Schiit stack ;-)
post #8519 of 11259
Well hey, I'm not one of those guys who is going to be against 2x or 3x amping. I've always 3x amped (source via hp out, zo, amp). Don't worry about the rules of the people on here, try it out and see if you like it. If it sounds good to YOU then it was the right thing to do.
post #8520 of 11259
I used to double amp exclusively, with chain being iPod - FiiO LOD - E-11- ZO - phones. Key I found was putting ZO on high gain and controlling the volume with the E-11, as well as using the LOD as it bypassed the internal amp of the DAP so you only double amped.

No distortion, just very strong bass and great depth of sound. I only went away from doubling up when I got an Arrow 3G which with its two stage bass switch really doesn't need the ZO.

I'm looking forward to the ZO3 to buy and see if it is all it seems to be.
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