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post #7321 of 11089

the new studios seem like pretty serious headphones now...But still not worth the money. At least an improvement over the old ones, but i would never buy them. Still getting my cousin to buy the ue6000 due to being cheaper and are able to play passively.

post #7322 of 11089

Well, I think that the Monster N-Pulse look good and they are "proper" basshead headphones (and can be found as low as $100 on eBay and other stores...)

post #7323 of 11089
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Originally Posted by iceman600 View Post


I checked your recomended cans... no offense but its quite not my taste regarding style. I want cans that I can wear outside

For bass similar to the way it feels to listen on a car stereo system, I would recommend the V-MODA Crossfade LP, LP 2, and M-100. The M-100 has more detailed bass than the LP but with less impact. V-MODA's sound signature tends to sound very good with EDM, Hip Hop, and pop which are pretty much the only three genres anyone that someone with an SPL car stereo system listens to. Also they are both good looking headphones.

post #7324 of 11089
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Originally Posted by Snyper0012 View Post
 

Ok still deciding on the best sub-200$ bass headphone. Currently, the ue6000 is the best in terms of looks and performance mix. Its for my cousin and he only wants to buy nice looking headphones :/

IMO, this is an excellent choice based on your cousin's needs, comfort and their sonic performance, both amped and unamped.

post #7325 of 11089

Beats or VMODA

 

Have fun

 

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I checked your recomended cans... no offense but its quite not my taste regarding style. I want cans that I can wear outside
post #7326 of 11089
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

It's all speculation as to what those OEM IE80s actually are, so don't bother bringing ethics into it. I'm intrigued, so I ordered a pair.

 

What you should be questioning, is if the OEM equipment (Meaning Sennhesier doesn't produce them in house) can be made and sold for a profit to you, shipped from HK for $37, why in gods name are people being gouged $300+ and accepting of it? Perceived value.

 

If these actually cost $200+ to produce, and are being stolen, then its ethically wrong, but that is just another speculative accusation. If they are completely fake, then I'm out $37, and can spread the word to avoid them through the power of the internet. If these are the real deal, without a Sennheiser logo, then I just hit the value jackpot.

 

All the fakes makers, at least the ones I've seen, state that they are "OEM" products. All of them are lying. I've seen eBay sellers claim that things they sell, made in China, were OEM, when the manufacturer makes ALL their products from raw materials in Holland!

 

At one point, there was a billion dollar industry in China with multiple factories producing NEC products. All of it was fake! Even the factory bosses thought their factories were making genuine products! I have to say again, all of it was fake! 

 

Something else to keep in mind: The cost of a product isn't its materials alone. Even for a small manufacturer, the overhead for making even something as simple as an amp is HUGE. Off the top of my head I'd estimate that the basic investment to sustain a business making a popular product just for Head-Fi members, such as an amp or headphone would be at least hundreds of thousands to a million dollars. Then during the years spent doing the R&D for a product, the company is earning nothing from it until it starts selling. So your perception of costs is very drastically off. The reason fakers can sell cheaply is that all they've done is taken apart the genuine product and copied it. They haven't had to worry about any of the actual set-up and development of the product required. 

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

All the fakes makers, at least the ones I've seen, state that they are "OEM" products. All of them are lying. I've seen eBay sellers claim that things they sell, made in China, were OEM, when the manufacturer makes ALL their products from raw materials in Holland!

 

At one point, there was a billion dollar industry in China with multiple factories producing NEC products. All of it was fake! Even the factory bosses thought their factories were making genuine products! I have to say again, all of it was fake! 

 

Something else to keep in mind: The cost of a product isn't its materials alone. Even for a small manufacturer, the overhead for making even something as simple as an amp is HUGE. Off the top of my head I'd estimate that the basic investment to sustain a business making a popular product just for Head-Fi members, such as an amp or headphone would be at least hundreds of thousands to a million dollars. Then during the years spent doing the R&D for a product, the company is earning nothing from it until it starts selling. So your perception of costs is very drastically off. The reason fakers can sell cheaply is that all they've done is taken apart the genuine product and copied it. They haven't had to worry about any of the actual set-up and development of the product required. 

I have nothing else to say. Everything's just so true.

 

+1

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

All the fakes makers, at least the ones I've seen, state that they are "OEM" products. All of them are lying. I've seen eBay sellers claim that things they sell, made in China, were OEM, when the manufacturer makes ALL their products from raw materials in Holland!

 

At one point, there was a billion dollar industry in China with multiple factories producing NEC products. All of it was fake! Even the factory bosses thought their factories were making genuine products! I have to say again, all of it was fake! 

 

Something else to keep in mind: The cost of a product isn't its materials alone. Even for a small manufacturer, the overhead for making even something as simple as an amp is HUGE. Off the top of my head I'd estimate that the basic investment to sustain a business making a popular product just for Head-Fi members, such as an amp or headphone would be at least hundreds of thousands to a million dollars. Then during the years spent doing the R&D for a product, the company is earning nothing from it until it starts selling. So your perception of costs is very drastically off. The reason fakers can sell cheaply is that all they've done is taken apart the genuine product and copied it. They haven't had to worry about any of the actual set-up and development of the product required. 

Well said.  As early adopters and headphone enthusiasts, we have a special responsibility to support the companies that are actually investing in innovation and go out of our way to not only avoid fakes, but condemn them.  It is not just about knock-offs stifling innovation in future products and technological advancement; it is basic right and wrong.  Also worth considering is what the "profits" from the sale of these illegal products support.

post #7329 of 11089
Remember even FIIO as a Chinese company is already plagued by product fraud.
post #7330 of 11089
So the conclusion for the previous 20 posts: DON'T SUPPORT FAKE PRODUCTS.
IT IS JUST WRONG.
post #7331 of 11089
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

All the fakes makers, at least the ones I've seen, state that they are "OEM" products. All of them are lying. I've seen eBay sellers claim that things they sell, made in China, were OEM, when the manufacturer makes ALL their products from raw materials in Holland!

 

At one point, there was a billion dollar industry in China with multiple factories producing NEC products. All of it was fake! Even the factory bosses thought their factories were making genuine products! I have to say again, all of it was fake! 

 

Something else to keep in mind: The cost of a product isn't its materials alone. Even for a small manufacturer, the overhead for making even something as simple as an amp is HUGE. Off the top of my head I'd estimate that the basic investment to sustain a business making a popular product just for Head-Fi members, such as an amp or headphone would be at least hundreds of thousands to a million dollars. Then during the years spent doing the R&D for a product, the company is earning nothing from it until it starts selling. So your perception of costs is very drastically off. The reason fakers can sell cheaply is that all they've done is taken apart the genuine product and copied it. They haven't had to worry about any of the actual set-up and development of the product required. 

You're absolutely right in the case of R&D costs on top of materials cost. They are a business, and they have every right to charge what the buying consumer base will pay, and profit from it. This allows them to bless us with even more great products.

 

There is a huge grey area though, and it is full of speculation about these "fakes" right now. Those ebay Korean 2560x1440 monitors come to mind. Those monitors use actual Samsung and LG panels from batches that did not pass A+ QC, however they are the real deal, in generic casing, costing hundreds less than the Apple and other brand name versions utilizing the same panels. The exception is that they have the possibility of a dead pixel or some backlight bleed. What if that is what some of these IE80s are? I would gladly take an "A-" version of otherwise throwaway IE80s in a generic or original casing for a substantial discount.

 

Of course you don't want to support fakes, and you do want to support companies such as Sennheiser, but why are we relying on speculation in this case? This is head-fi. We should be testing them, finding out the truth about their origins, and sharing this info instead of completely dismissing it from speculation. They can be dismissed and told to be avoided afterwards if actually found to be fake.

 

With that said, I might just do that when I get mine. I just don't have any equipment to take a freq response graph with.

post #7332 of 11089
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

So the conclusion for the previous 20 posts: DON'T SUPPORT FAKE PRODUCTS.
IT IS JUST WRONG.

So getting back on track, no one has yet auditioned the Munitio PRO 40?

post #7333 of 11089
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post
 

So getting back on track, no one has yet auditioned the Munitio PRO 40?

 

I was going to check out their "After Earth" ones but couldn't find them anywhere at a "decent" price... so... waiting game I guess...

 

There are a couple of reviews in Amazon, but I'm always wary of Amazon "Vine" reviews...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Munitio-PRO40-High-Performance-Headphones-Gold/product-reviews/B00BWH7TIG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

 

Seems one guy has other decent headphones as well so...


Edited by gelocks - 9/4/13 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

 

I was going to check out their "After Earth" ones but couldn't find them anywhere at a "decent" price... so... waiting game I guess...

 

There are a couple of reviews in Amazon, but I'm always wary of Amazon "Vine" reviews...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Munitio-PRO40-High-Performance-Headphones-Gold/product-reviews/B00BWH7TIG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

 

Seems one guy has other decent headphones as well so...

Huh. I always thought the After Earth headphones weren't branded by an actual headphone manufacturer. Turns out Munitio were the same guys behind the Nines -- IEMs with a housing made to look like a slightly oversized pistol round (9mm Parabellum). Interesting to note is that the drivers are also 9mm.


Edited by thatBeatsguy - 9/4/13 at 10:15am
post #7335 of 11089
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post
 

 

I was going to check out their "After Earth" ones but couldn't find them anywhere at a "decent" price... so... waiting game I guess...

 

There are a couple of reviews in Amazon, but I'm always wary of Amazon "Vine" reviews...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Munitio-PRO40-High-Performance-Headphones-Gold/product-reviews/B00BWH7TIG/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

 

Seems one guy has other decent headphones as well so...

Thanks.  The Amazon review definitely put these in the basshead category.  Hopefully the After Earth model will be blown out at a deep discount since the movie did so well at the box office :D

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