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On the topic about M100s. I really adore their bass but I compared them to a HD650 (I know it is unfair) but does anyone find the M100s lacking in height for soundstage?

I have to give them another shot after the oceans of praises I hear about them day after day.
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

On the topic about M100s. I really adore their bass but I compared them to a HD650 (I know it is unfair) but does anyone find the M100s lacking in height for soundstage?

I have to give them another shot after the oceans of praises I hear about them day after day.


Keep in mind the HD650 is an open headphone which is always an advantage for soundstage.  M-100 excels for a closed headphone, but I wouldn't expect it to match the HD650 in that regard.  From a basshead perspective, closed headphones have a significant advantage regarding bass "punch" since the air has nowhere to go but in your ear canal.

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


Keep in mind the HD650 is an open headphone which is always an advantage for soundstage.  M-100 excels for a closed headphone, but I wouldn't expect it to match the HD650 in that regard.  From a basshead perspective, closed headphones have a significant advantage regarding bass "punch" since the air has nowhere to go but in your ear canal.

 

I understand the unfairness of the comparison. However, the height of the soundstage was unusually low. However, it was not optimum auditioning conditions therefore, I have decided that I would give the M100 another go. Thanks for your input Craigster, you have been always great help!

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Member ge locks and one other guy have them. Gelocks has his up for sale.

 

oh i havent got the funds yet (saving up is hard when youre a student >_<). but i imagine that in say, 6 months, i will. and im hoping to either upgrade from the m-100, or sidegrade. if i decide to sidegrade im pretty sure ill be looking at a pair of mad dogs. but if its an upgrade - i was thinking of the fz2000. however, im not sure whether or not they are an upgrade. and the small reviews they got in their own threads werent conclusive. one guy really liked them, one guy really didnt, and thats about it... im starting to think that the only upgrade ill find (in the closed back, bass heavy/ or at least capable, NOT discontinued region) is the signature dj - which is just about twice as much as i was hoping to spend... 

 

unless anyone has some other suggestions to offer?

edit: im sensitive to treble, so the pro-900 is kinda out of the question, and i dont think it counts as an upgrade either...

 

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


I haven't heard them personally, but they were receiving glowing impressions here a few months ago.


i wouldnt say they were glowing at all... i admit its been a while since the thread was active, so i havent read it in a while, but as far as i remember there were about 2 contradicting reviews and a couple of small, incomplete impression type posts...


Edited by adamlr - 7/7/13 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

and btw, any bassheads tried the new jvc ha fz2000? im very curious about them, but their own threads arent getting many responses... perhaps theres a reason for that? -shrug-

 

anyone?

 

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Member gelocks and one other guy have them. Gelocks has his up for sale.

 

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


I haven't heard them personally, but they were receiving glowing impressions here a few months ago.

 

I didn't see too many glowing impressions... only 1 member wrote a very positive review...

 

I have them, good bass reproduction, a bit muddy, EQ'ed they blast your head off. Overall sound is too warm for me so I don't like them as much. Comfort is a bit better than the M100s but they are not really "over-ear", the pads are shallow.

 

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oh i havent got the funds yet (saving up is hard when youre a student >_<). but i imagine that in say, 6 months, i will. and im hoping to either upgrade from the m-100, or sidegrade. if i decide to sidegrade im pretty sure ill be looking at a pair of mad dogs. but if its an upgrade - i was thinking of the fz2000. however, im not sure whether or not they are an upgrade. and the small reviews they got in their own threads werent conclusive. one guy really liked them, one guy really didnt, and thats about it... im starting to think that the only upgrade ill find (in the closed back, bass heavy/ or at least capable, NOT discontinued region) is the signature dj - which is just about twice as much as i was hoping to spend... 

 

unless anyone has some other suggestions to offer?

edit: im sensitive to treble, so the pro-900 is kinda out of the question, and i dont think it counts as an upgrade either...

 

 

Personally, sound quality wise I would prefer a whole lot other headphones over the JVCs UNLESS I just want overwhelming bass ;-) Prefer the M100s (even if they are a bit more uncomfortable), Q40s, Denon D600, D5000,, etc. etc.

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Right, so for some good bass and clear mid/highs I can't get anything better than the m100's for $300 eh?
 

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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

 

 

 

I didn't see too many glowing impressions... only 1 member wrote a very positive review...

 

I have them, good bass reproduction, a bit muddy, EQ'ed they blast your head off. Overall sound is too warm for me so I don't like them as much. Comfort is a bit better than the M100s but they are not really "over-ear", the pads are shallow.

 

 

Personally, sound quality wise I would prefer a whole lot other headphones over the JVCs UNLESS I just want overwhelming bass ;-) Prefer the M100s (even if they are a bit more uncomfortable), Q40s, Denon D600, D5000,, etc. etc.

 

im past the stage where all i want is overwhelming bass. i need a good pair of headphones who are bass capable - how overwhelming their bass becomes is up to me and my equalizer =]

are you saying the m-100 bass quality is superior to the jvcs? how about the rest of the spectrum?

 

its starting to look like the d5000 is what i want, but at ~700$ i just cant afford it, thats about twice what i pay for rent! if they were still in production, and could be fetched for ~500$ it would still be a stretch, but i probably would have considered it. oh well... perhaps ill get the d2000 IF theyre still around when i scrape up the money for them. but paying twice as much for a product because its been discontinued just seems wrong to me... does that make me stinchy?

 

does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones thats in between the m-100 and the signature dj, that costs ~400-500$? looks like the yamaha pro-500 are the only ones, and based on what ive read theyre not worth it...

 

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Originally Posted by pandabear1 View Post

Right, so for some good bass and clear mid/highs I can't get anything better than the m100's for $300 eh?
 

from the research i did, which isnt exactly extensive in all fairness, looks like the m-100 are your best bet in the <1000$ range, unless your willing to pay x2-3 for a discontinued pair of denons/jvcs, or settle for a slight improvement that costs significantly more. i guess thats what they call diminishing returns...

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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

 

im past the stage where all i want is overwhelming bass. i need a good pair of headphones who are bass capable - how overwhelming their bass becomes is up to me and my equalizer =]

are you saying the m-100 bass quality is superior to the jvcs? how about the rest of the spectrum?

 

its starting to look like the d5000 is what i want, but at ~700$ i just cant afford it, thats about twice what i pay for rent! if they were still in production, and could be fetched for ~500$ it would still be a stretch, but i probably would have considered it. oh well... perhaps ill get the d2000 IF theyre still around when i scrape up the money for them. but paying twice as much for a product because its been discontinued just seems wrong to me... does that make me stinchy?

 

does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones thats in between the m-100 and the signature dj, that costs ~400-500$? looks like the yamaha pro-500 are the only ones, and based on what ive read theyre not worth it...

 

from the research i did, which isnt exactly extensive in all fairness, looks like the m-100 are your best bet in the <1000$ range, unless your willing to pay x2-3 for a discontinued pair of denons/jvcs, or settle for a slight improvement that costs significantly more. i guess thats what they call diminishing returns...

You could try a CIEM like the UM Merlin, or if you want headphones, you could check out the JVC SZ2000. 

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

To help you save a few dollars on the amp side, I would recommend the FiiO E11 over the ZO2.

I've already got an E11, so the ZO2 is definitely going to be my next amp purchase. Thanks for the comparison. I think I'll stick with the M-100.

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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

im past the stage where all i want is overwhelming bass. i need a good pair of headphones who are bass capable - how overwhelming their bass becomes is up to me and my equalizer =]
are you saying the m-100 bass quality is superior to the jvcs? how about the rest of the spectrum?

its starting to look like the d5000 is what i want, but at ~700$ i just cant afford it, thats about twice what i pay for rent! if they were still in production, and could be fetched for ~500$ it would still be a stretch, but i probably would have considered it. oh well... perhaps ill get the d2000 IF theyre still around when i scrape up the money for them. but paying twice as much for a product because its been discontinued just seems wrong to me... does that make me stinchy?

does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones thats in between the m-100 and the signature dj, that costs ~400-500$? looks like the yamaha pro-500 are the only ones, and based on what ive read theyre not worth it...

from the research i did, which isnt exactly extensive in all fairness, looks like the m-100 are your best bet in the <1000$ range, unless your willing to pay x2-3 for a discontinued pair of denons/jvcs, or settle for a slight improvement that costs significantly more. i guess thats what they call diminishing returns...

Where to start.......there are always D2000's available on the for sale board for around $300 and worth it. Love mine.

For around $300 I personally prefer all the following over the M-100 and have or had all including the M-100 - Denon D2000, Denon D600, Ultrasone Pro900, M-Audio Q40 (yes, at $130ish its better to me), Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm, and all by a fair amount, some due to comfort and sound, some just comfort. Just my input.

You go up to $700ish, D5000, D7000 and the Signature Pro and DJ are in the picture. Only the DJ I have not heard.
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Originally Posted by pandabear1 View Post

Right, so for some good bass and clear mid/highs I can't get anything better than the m100's for $300 eh?
 

 

Well, you have to take into consideration other things but for sound quality only, I would actually take the Yamaha Pro 500s over the M100s and in fact, these have been priced at less than $200 on some Amazon Warehouse deals!!!

 

As I put up on my Pro500 review (note that not all are basshead cans, just a few I've tried off the top of my head...):

 

Comfort: Mad Dogs --> D5000s --> Sony MDR-1R --> Denon D600 --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Signature Pro --> SRH940 --> A900X --> V-MODA M100
(this is taking into consideration both earpad and headband feel)

 

Build: Signature Pro --> Mad Dogs --> A900X --> Denon D600 --> Sony MDR-1R --> V-MODA M100 -->  Yamaha Pro 500 --> D5000s --> SRH940
(if you wonder why the M100s ranked low, cracked wing-tips on supposedly indestructible headphones! BAH!)

 

Sound Quality: Signature Pro --> Mad Dogs --> D5000s --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Sony MDR-1R --> V-Moda M100 --> Denon D600 --> A900X --> SRH940s (note, ALL of these have a GREAT sound and some are "special" on specific genres, but when nitpicking, this is how I would choose them)

 

Contents: V-Moda M100 --> Signature Pro --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Denon D600 --> SRH940 --> Sony MDR-1R --> Mad Dogs --> D5000 == A900x

 

So basically, you have to keep in mind what you really like and want. For portability, I still believe the M100 is king, and with good sound to boot. Sound quality wise, Pro500s I find better than a lot of headphones I have tried but comfort is bad for me. If you have a large head, you might like 'em!

 

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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

 

im past the stage where all i want is overwhelming bass. i need a good pair of headphones who are bass capable - how overwhelming their bass becomes is up to me and my equalizer =]

are you saying the m-100 bass quality is superior to the jvcs? how about the rest of the spectrum?

 

its starting to look like the d5000 is what i want, but at ~700$ i just cant afford it, thats about twice what i pay for rent! if they were still in production, and could be fetched for ~500$ it would still be a stretch, but i probably would have considered it. oh well... perhaps ill get the d2000 IF theyre still around when i scrape up the money for them. but paying twice as much for a product because its been discontinued just seems wrong to me... does that make me stinchy?

 

does anyone have a recommendation for a pair of headphones thats in between the m-100 and the signature dj, that costs ~400-500$? looks like the yamaha pro-500 are the only ones, and based on what ive read theyre not worth it...

 

from the research i did, which isnt exactly extensive in all fairness, looks like the m-100 are your best bet in the <1000$ range, unless your willing to pay x2-3 for a discontinued pair of denons/jvcs, or settle for a slight improvement that costs significantly more. i guess thats what they call diminishing returns...

 

Have you tried the Audio Technica Bass cannons? Or maybe the Sony XB1000/500? JVCs CAN indeed slam hard, and EQ'ed they are just different machines but I don't like EQ'ing! lol Is the bass better on the M100s? Regarding quality, yes, I think notes decay faster and don't really muddy up the mids that much. Quantity, the JVCs might have the edge (but I don't have the m100s with me... will get them again if they decide to finally release the XL pads...)

 

Pro500s I found excellent, like I mentioned above... I believe they are worth it! But if you find a deal on Amazon Warehouse, even better!!

 

Yeah, Diminishing returns is definitely "real"... Sig DJs are excellent though, and so are the Sig Pros. If you find them for $800 or less, buy with confidence! Right now I'm trying Perfect Sounds D901 headphone: http://www.perfect-sound.com.tw/dido/d901w.html

They remind me of the Sig Pros but airier with more Soundstage... still need to test bass tracks but I have the flu so I will stick from judging sound until I get better. ;-)  The Denon D5000 are indeed special. Might sound harsh up top sometimes, but I love it's sound. Couple of weeks ago acquired a fully modified one with Lawton Mods and I'm definitely enjoying them again (I had the stock version before...)

 

Anyway, the M100s are not a bad buy if you want good sound, portability, etc.

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Where to start.......there are always D2000's available on the for sale board for around $300 and worth it. Love mine.

For around $300 I personally prefer all the following over the M-100 and have or had all including the M-100 - Denon D2000, Denon D600, Ultrasone Pro900, M-Audio Q40 (yes, at $130ish its better to me), Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm, and all by a fair amount, some due to comfort and sound, some just comfort. Just my input.

You go up to $700ish, D5000, D7000 and the Signature Pro and DJ are in the picture. Only the DJ I have not heard.

 

as for the list you gave me, the pro 900 are out because im very sensitive to treble and im afraid of them XD, q-40 are an option, but if i was to go with something in the same/lower prace range as the m-100 i would probably go for the ws99 instead - just to see what all the fuss is about. the d600... understand, i live far far away from anywhere, making return policies and such an issue, and i dont want to take any chances with headphones that have received to much criticism. probably not the right way of looking at things, but there it is. and i already have dt 770 250 ohm. i like them very much, but the m-100 has easier highs (as ive said, im sensitive to treble) and tighter bass. i doubt somehow the 32 ohm edition will change these things significantly.

anything more than 500$ is out of the question im afraid. im a student working part time. i could just save up for longer i guess, but i dont want to tongue_smile.gif. maybe i will, but i dont think so.

 

like i said, when the time comes, the d2000 are probably gonna be on the top of the list. thank you very much. could you make a small comparison of the d2k and the m-100 just as far as sound goes? bass quality, mids presence, treble harshness/ease?

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Have you tried the Audio Technica Bass cannons? Or maybe the Sony XB1000/500? JVCs CAN indeed slam hard, and EQ'ed they are just different machines but I don't like EQ'ing! lol Is the bass better on the M100s? Regarding quality, yes, I think notes decay faster and don't really muddy up the mids that much. Quantity, the JVCs might have the edge (but I don't have the m100s with me... will get them again if they decide to finally release the XL pads...)

 

Pro500s I found excellent, like I mentioned above... I believe they are worth it! But if you find a deal on Amazon Warehouse, even better!!

 

Yeah, Diminishing returns is definitely "real"... Sig DJs are excellent though, and so are the Sig Pros. If you find them for $800 or less, buy with confidence! Right now I'm trying Perfect Sounds D901 headphone: http://www.perfect-sound.com.tw/dido/d901w.html

They remind me of the Sig Pros but airier with more Soundstage... still need to test bass tracks but I have the flu so I will stick from judging sound until I get better. ;-)  The Denon D5000 are indeed special. Might sound harsh up top sometimes, but I love it's sound. Couple of weeks ago acquired a fully modified one with Lawton Mods and I'm definitely enjoying them again (I had the stock version before...)

 

Anyway, the M100s are not a bad buy if you want good sound, portability, etc.


bass cannons? which are those? xb1000? for some reason i didnt even consider those... thanks, ill read some reviews and see. and if you say the m-100 have better bass than the jvcs, then i guess the jvcs are officially out, i just cant seem to find enough reviews on them. maybe with time some more will appear.

thanks for putting the pro-500s back on my list though, ill take another look and see what i can find on them. what were your comfort issues with them?

 

cheers

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bass cannons? which are those? xb1000? for some reason i didnt even consider those... thanks, ill read some reviews and see. and if you say the m-100 have better bass than the jvcs, then i guess the jvcs are officially out, i just cant seem to find enough reviews on them. maybe with time some more will appear.

thanks for putting the pro-500s back on my list though, ill take another look and see what i can find on them. what were your comfort issues with them?

 

cheers

 

Pressure up top (headband area) and pads were kind of "tiny", but most of the discomfort was with the headband pressure... Also, the fit was not the best for me, they are just HUGE! Lol. Similar Beats stylings too so if you don't like how those look, you wont love these as much.

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Pressure up top (headband area) and pads were kind of "tiny", but most of the discomfort was with the headband pressure... Also, the fit was not the best for me, they are just HUGE! Lol. Similar Beats stylings too so if you don't like how those look, you wont love these as much.


yea their looks put me way off to be very honest... but for portable use i have the m-100 =] i actually have a large head, so i dont think the fit will be an issue. as for pressure, do you mean clamping pressure? did you try stretching them over a speaker or something? were the pads deep?

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as for the list you gave me, the pro 900 are out because im very sensitive to treble and im afraid of them XD, q-40 are an option, but if i was to go with something in the same/lower prace range as the m-100 i would probably go for the ws99 instead - just to see what all the fuss is about. the d600... understand, i live far far away from anywhere, making return policies and such an issue, and i dont want to take any chances with headphones that have received to much criticism. probably not the right way of looking at things, but there it is. and i already have dt 770 250 ohm. i like them very much, but the m-100 has easier highs (as ive said, im sensitive to treble) and tighter bass. i doubt somehow the 32 ohm edition will change these things significantly.

anything more than 500$ is out of the question im afraid. im a student working part time. i could just save up for longer i guess, but i dont want to tongue_smile.gif. maybe i will, but i dont think so.

 

like i said, when the time comes, the d2000 are probably gonna be on the top of the list. thank you very much. could you make a small comparison of the d2k and the m-100 just as far as sound goes? bass quality, mids presence, treble harshness/ease?


bass cannons? which are those? xb1000? for some reason i didnt even consider those... thanks, ill read some reviews and see. and if you say the m-100 have better bass than the jvcs, then i guess the jvcs are officially out, i just cant seem to find enough reviews on them. maybe with time some more will appear.

thanks for putting the pro-500s back on my list though, ill take another look and see what i can find on them. what were your comfort issues with them?

 

cheers

No comparison.  D2000 has better bass, mids and comfort.  I get no treble harshness but I have ears that love the Pro900 where some people liken them to nails on a chalkboard. 

 

This is just my opinion on a D2K with Lawton mods.

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