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2 questions:

 

1. are ther any bassheads here who have the mrspeakers mad dogs?

 

im looking to upgrade my dt770s. granted, it will be a while till i actually do it. but i thought id ask here anyway. see, bass quantity can be taken care of with eq, so im looking for bass quality, and i was wondering if any bassheads own the mad dogs mod and can comment on the bass and sub bass in particular? how do they stack up against the m-100? does anyone know?

 

2. does this excessive bass damage our hearing?

 

i ask because high spl can cause damage. now, say you listen at below 85db for a short amount of time, you should be safe, but us bassheads crank up the bass by 10-20 maybe even 30 db, while all the rest of the frequencies are safe, im assuming the overall spl is still high, and im wondering if this is detrimental?

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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

2 questions:

 

1. are ther any bassheads here who have the mrspeakers mad dogs?

 

im looking to upgrade my dt770s. granted, it will be a while till i actually do it. but i thought id ask here anyway. see, bass quantity can be taken care of with eq, so im looking for bass quality, and i was wondering if any bassheads own the mad dogs mod and can comment on the bass and sub bass in particular? how do they stack up against the m-100? does anyone know?

 

2. does this excessive bass damage our hearing?

 

i ask because high spl can cause damage. now, say you listen at below 85db for a short amount of time, you should be safe, but us bassheads crank up the bass by 10-20 maybe even 30 db, while all the rest of the frequencies are safe, im assuming the overall spl is still high, and im wondering if this is detrimental?


1. I have not heard the Mad Dogs, but they are not known for visceral bass.  I believe this is inherent in orthodynamic drivers where small ortho drivers cannot produce bass or "move air" the way a conventional dynamic driver can.  Their full-size speaker electrostatic cousins, such as Martin Logan, have huge panels that are still bass light.  Their advantage is related to transparency and detail, not bass.  IMO, M-100 is the best combination of basshead and audiophile sound available today.  They are my favorite headphone in the $300 range.

 

2.  Excessive volume over long listening periods is proven to damage hearing.  I have read that more damage is done with excessive high frequency vs. bass.


Edited by Craigster75 - 1/16/13 at 11:15am
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Headphones generally don't generate enough sound pressure in order to damage our ears. Yeah, if you have a good pair of basshead headphones, they may tickle your eardrums, but it won't be as bad as, for instance, blasting out 2x 15" subs in your car. That can damage your ears. The mad dogs are modded versions of the T50RP to become neutral reference style headphones that can get pretty close to the sonic performance of the LCD-2 for less than half the cost of it. They're not basshead headphones by a long shot. Yeah, you could probably eq it out, but the quantity wouldn't be as much as something like the M-100 which already has respectable amounts of bass quantity. In other words, if you gave both the mad dogs and the M-100 the same amount of bass eq, the M-100 will most likely have more quantity. 

 

EDIT: Maybe I should clarify. Even though headphones don't have a SPL like some subs, in terms of overall loudness (dB), they can damage your ears, especially in the upper midrange to treble levels. Our ears are most sensitive in the 1KHz region, and if you listen to that at loud volumes, it has the potential to destroy the hairs in you inner ear referring to that frequency range. So, yeah, headphones are just as dangerous as a good audio setup, but you are just more aware with headphones because they're right against your ears, so you have less of a chance of screwing up. 


Edited by Trae - 1/16/13 at 11:29am
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I would suggest trying the B&W C5.  They have a secure ear loop so they stay in your ear better than 95% of IEMs.  They also have big bass, especially after burn-in.  Just be sure to use the proper size tips for the best seal and they deliver great bass along with very good overall sound.

I did try them and I was reasonably impressed. They are pricey though, at full retail, so I'm looking for a good deal on them. And do you have a problem with the little black ring on the end of the earloop being loose?

 

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There is a CKS99i version which has a mic.

Oooh, thanks for that, I just checked out this thread and this thread and the higher end CKS1000 sounds really promising - modular cable! Too bad the cables don't plug directly into the ear pieces (a la Shure) so there is still a fixed cable that could potentially break. I have to replace my IEMs every year because the cables break, which makes me reluctant to spend any more than $100 on a pair.

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1. I have not heard the Mad Dogs, but they are not known for visceral bass.  I believe this is inherent in orthodynamic drivers where small ortho drivers cannot produce bass or "move air" the way a conventional dynamic driver can.  Their full-size speaker electrostatic cousins, such as Martin Logan, have huge panels that are still bass light.  Their advantage is related to transparency and detail, not bass.  IMO, M-100 is the best combination of basshead and audiophile sound available today.  They are my favorite headphone in the $300 range.

 

2.  Excessive volume over long listening periods is proven to damage hearing.  I have read that more damage is done with excessive high frequency vs. bass.

 

yea the m-100 are looking to be my best bet i think. when i get closer to actually purchasing ill make some more inquiries, i just really hate theyr design... they look like a fashion statement rather than headphones. but im starting to think they dont really have competition in the 300$ price range for bass quality. how do they handle eqing? hows theyr sub bass?

 

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Originally Posted by Trae View Post

Headphones generally don't generate enough sound pressure in order to damage our ears. Yeah, if you have a good pair of basshead headphones, they may tickle your eardrums, but it won't be as bad as, for instance, blasting out 2x 15" subs in your car. That can damage your ears. The mad dogs are modded versions of the T50RP to become neutral reference style headphones that can get pretty close to the sonic performance of the LCD-2 for less than half the cost of it. They're not basshead headphones by a long shot. Yeah, you could probably eq it out, but the quantity wouldn't be as much as something like the M-100 which already has respectable amounts of bass quantity. In other words, if you gave both the mad dogs and the M-100 the same amount of bass eq, the M-100 will most likely have more quantity. 

 

EDIT: Maybe I should clarify. Even though headphones don't have a SPL like some subs, in terms of overall loudness (dB), they can damage your ears, especially in the upper midrange to treble levels. Our ears are most sensitive in the 1KHz region, and if you listen to that at loud volumes, it has the potential to destroy the hairs in you inner ear referring to that frequency range. So, yeah, headphones are just as dangerous as a good audio setup, but you are just more aware with headphones because they're right against your ears, so you have less of a chance of screwing up. 

yea i got that the m-100 would have more quantity. thats why im asking about the quality. but then you say that even with eq i wont be able to get excessive with the mad dogs because theyr drivers just dont cut it? 

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Do anyone here know how much bass quantity the philips fidelio l1 has?

I know most audiophile call them bass heavy but bassheads have different standards. 

I don't want to buy it if the bass is gonna be like the M50 or something.

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i had them for a few days. the l1 is bassy, but not enough for a real basshead. they are warm overall. pretty disappointing. you could consider the l1 if you find the hd650 still cold.

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i had them for a few days. the l1 is bassy, but not enough for a real basshead. they are warm overall. pretty disappointing. you could consider the l1 if you find the hd650 still cold.

 

I just received the UE 6000 but saw the L1 for sale. I'm just wondering if I should return the UE6000 for the Fidelio L1.

 

EDIT:

I just placed the order, so I'll just return the one I don't want.


Edited by RoMee - 1/16/13 at 1:15pm
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please report your impressions of both in this thread

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I did try them and I was reasonably impressed. They are pricey though, at full retail, so I'm looking for a good deal on them. And do you have a problem with the little black ring on the end of the earloop being loose?

 

I have not had any quality issues with the C5.

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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

 

yea the m-100 are looking to be my best bet i think. when i get closer to actually purchasing ill make some more inquiries, i just really hate theyr design... they look like a fashion statement rather than headphones. but im starting to think they dont really have competition in the 300$ price range for bass quality. how do they handle eqing? hows theyr sub bass?

 

yea i got that the m-100 would have more quantity. thats why im asking about the quality. but then you say that even with eq i wont be able to get excessive with the mad dogs because theyr drivers just dont cut it? 


M-100 scales very well to high volume without distortion.  They have some of the BEST sub bass I ever heard.  Bass doesn't overwhelm their sound, but it is deep, impactful and tight.  You can definitely EQ basshead levels from them.

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Thinking about some new basshead cans.  Granted all of my headphones are basshead cans really, but thinking about some new ones regardless.  What's your opinion on AIAIAI TMA-1 vs V-Moda M-100 as far as sq and bass are concerned.  I really only want you to comment on this if you've had experience with both sets of headphones.  I already know you V-Moda M-100 owners pretty much worship them for the most part, but I'd really like to know how the AIAIAI stands up next to them.  Also, I won't be amping them and they'll be getting thrown in my man purse/school bag so they need to be fairly durable too, both of those seem to be.  Also, I pretty much exclusively listen to electronic dance music, so I want impressions from that music, not country or rock.  I know both of those headphones will sound like **** with that music.


Edited by pandastyle - 1/16/13 at 5:21pm
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Thinking about some new basshead cans.  Granted all of my headphones are basshead cans really, but thinking about some new ones regardless.  What's your opinion on AIAIAI TMA-1 vs V-Moda M-100 as far as sq and bass are concerned.  I really only want you to comment on this if you've had experience with both sets of headphones.  I already know you V-Moda M-100 owners pretty much worship them for the most part, but I'd really like to know how the AIAIAI stands up next to them.  Also, I won't be amping them and they'll be getting thrown in my man purse/school bag so they need to be fairly durable too, both of those seem to be.  Also, I pretty much exclusively listen to electronic dance music, so I want impressions from that music, not country or rock.  I know both of those headphones will sound like **** with that music.


I own M-100 and auditioned the TMA-1 at Best Buy.  Compared to the M-100, the TMA-1 is dark, lacks soundstage, detail and sub bass.  It does have more prominent midbass unamped compared to M-100.

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How is the isolation on the M100

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Originally Posted by Prakhar View Post

How is the isolation on the M100

 

Know what? For a while now I thought it was a little sub par. I'm a loud listener (90% volume on iPod Touch) and during quieter sections of songs on the subway I could hear the door bell ring, or the station announcements. I was also planning on using these for DJing, and I wans't sure if my mixer would pump enough juice into these to be loud enough to hear them over the monitors blaring next to me, or the bass bins I'm practicly standing on.

Well safe to say, I did a gig last night (first DJ gig ever) with these and I caught myself making the Obama "not bad" face when I put them on both ears and could still feel bass on the side of my head, while still being able to ignore the club, and being able to mix efficiently. 

 

Oh I can also highly recommend these for DJs. The bass impact is GREAT for queing the 'one' beat, and the forward highs helps line up the hi-hats rather nicely. 

 

so in close, some may find the isolation a little sub par, but I used them in A CLUB and it's safe to say they do a good job at isolating for me, and leak is minimal, so you're not disturbing the people next to you on the bus.

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