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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

Indeed; a shame that hawaii is fully portable, otherwise he would've really appreciated that DSP.

I used winamp before because of the V.S.T's  Then MusicBee started incorporating V.S.T plugins so I used that. I'm just too mobile and to be honest I cannot listen to anything without an amp anymore. I cannot listen to ipods either. My iphone? No way. My ears love the Wolfson DAC's and amps. Actually I have an old Nano with a wolfson that I use sometimes cuz it has a big multi genre library. I just traded my ipod classic for a refrigerator. I need it for the shaved ice machines syrups and ice:D

post #11042 of 11259
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Originally Posted by NewWaveAudio View Post

What are the best basshead headphones money can buy. Getting a job over the summer and looking to upgrade my equipment. I currently have the JBL 55. I'm currently looking at the JBL synchros

 

Money to Bass price/performance ratio is sketchy/upside down /makes little sense

 

You have 40mm drivers right now so look to go to 50,53 ( size matters in the low end)

@gelocks  and I both have an affinity for the Yamaha Pro 500 Series. 

They slam.

They play most anything.

They were greatly reduced in price last month I dunno bout now.

 

The SZ are heavy cannons and need an amp so that diminishes the portability part x2

 

I'd target those if I were you.

post #11043 of 11259
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

I used winamp before because of the V.S.T's  Then MusicBee started incorporating V.S.T plugins so I used that. I'm just too mobile and to be honest I cannot listen to anything without an amp anymore. I cannot listen to ipods either. My iphone? No way. My ears love the Wolfson DAC's and amps. Actually I have an old Nano with a wolfson that I use sometimes cuz it has a big multi genre library. I just traded my ipod classic for a refrigerator. I need it for the shaved ice machines syrups and ice:D

Same here, I've gotten myself spoiled by good-quality portable amps. I've never used an iPod as a serious DAC as I straight-up started at mid-fi and bought the DX50 when I started on head-fi. Wolfson DACs are indeed pretty amazing, especially when implemented well like in the DX50. I'm pretty sure older iPod classics (4G, 5G, 5.5G) do have a Wolfson DAC inside but I don't know if you'd like them or not. I'm sure the fridge takes priority as I'm fairly certain that you have a good DAP already! Still, if you get a chance and are on a laptop, try that VST. 

 

On another note, have you tried using an iDevice all-in-one DAC and amp? A big expensive example will be the Centrance HiFi-M8 and it happens to have a bass boost too, although I'm not sure how good it is as I didn't bother to try it out; its input options were too limited for my tastes.

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Originally Posted by NewWaveAudio View Post


They're only 100db/mw not much sound pressure. My current cans are 115db/mw
Synchros are 117db/mw

 

Just to be clear: The sensitivity has nothing to do with bass response - It's easy to get confused here, because car audio often uses the term Sound Pressure Level (SPL) as well.

 

For reference: The HD600 has 97db/mw. The LCD 2.2 is 90, yet is considerably more bass-capable. 

 

Fun fact: I just learned today that the LCD 2.2 can accept up to 15 watts RMS of power for short bursts. Optimal is 1-4 watts.


Edited by White Lotus - 4/15/14 at 10:17pm
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Just wanted to share gifs from this recent viral video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px3oVGXr4mo

 

If you ever wanted to see what sound looks like traveling through air, the Schlieren Flow Visualization allows you to see changes in air density as the sound waves travel:

 

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post #11046 of 11259
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Originally Posted by PocketSmiley View Post
 

Just wanted to share gifs from this recent viral video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px3oVGXr4mo

 

If you ever wanted to see what sound looks like traveling through air, the Schlieren Flow Visualization allows you to see changes in air density as the sound waves travel:

 

 

 

 

 

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Cool.

I like big waves:L3000:

post #11047 of 11259
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

Just to be clear: The sensitivity has nothing to do with bass response - It's easy to get confused here, because car audio often uses the term Sound Pressure Level (SPL) as well.

 

 

 

I always assumed folks knew this.

It has NOTHING to do with bass response, impact or anything else.  In car audio they are measuring the change in air pressure within the cab which is not the same as measuring dB.

Apples and Oranges.

 

It seems a clever slight of hand though to imply something on the manufacturers end. Kinda shady.

post #11048 of 11259
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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post

 I'm pretty sure older iPod classics (4G, 5G, 5.5G) do have a Wolfson DAC inside but I don't know if you'd like them or not. 

The old Nano has what some think is the best or 2nd best sounding DAC ever...and it's a Wolfson so I keep it:D

post #11049 of 11259
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I always assumed folks knew this.

It has NOTHING to do with bass response, impact or anything else.  In car audio they are measuring the change in air pressure within the cab which is not the same as measuring dB.

Apples and Oranges.

 

It seems a clever slight of hand though to imply something on the manufacturers end. Kinda shady.

Most average people don't know anything about the science behind sound pressure levels. Larger numbers make products seem more impressive to the general market and therefore more attractive. It's exactly the same kind of trick as marketing a frequency response of 5Hz to 35000Hz on a pair of headphones. In other words:

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

The old Nano has what some think is the best or 2nd best sounding DAC ever...and it's a Wolfson so I keep it:D

 

Picture. (Click to show)

 

It's good if you love it, it makes it sound better to your ears. I'm serious, it's called the magic of placebo! :D 

 

EDIT: In all seriousness though, apple switched to cheaper cirrus logic dacs in the later generations of iDevices. What a shame.


Edited by BucketInABucket - 4/15/14 at 10:57pm
post #11050 of 11259
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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

 

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EDIT: In all seriousness though, apple switched to cheaper cirrus logic dacs in the later generations of iDevices. What a shame.

 

I checked the DAC after thinking my later iphone and ipod were less to my liking than a beat up nano and it was interesting to discover the DAC change. I had no real reason besides my ears to even look.

 

I got my Cowon because it had a Wolfson....maybe a placebo but it's a warm smooth tasting one:D 

 

And yeah....cuz most folks can hear the 5 and 35k's:blink:

 

It's the thought that counts. The thought of bean counters counting more money because kids read the specs like it's the secret in the sauce.....no...it's not!

post #11051 of 11259
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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

Most average people don't know anything about the science behind sound pressure levels. Larger numbers make products seem more impressive to the general market and therefore more attractive. It's exactly the same kind of trick as marketing a frequency response of 5Hz to 35000Hz on a pair of headphones. In other words:

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It's good if you love it, it makes it sound better to your ears. I'm serious, it's called the magic of placebo! :D 

 

EDIT: In all seriousness though, apple switched to cheaper cirrus logic dacs in the later generations of iDevices. What a shame.

Well, Apple had to keep down costs to maximize profit. We all know how they roll. Besides, much of teh general public won't even notice the difference since they're just listening to 128 kbps songs through their iBuds.

 

But a quick side note: I still don't get why they say iBuds are the worst thing Jobs ever made. I read an article on InnerFidelity where Tyll measured its FR; turns out, it was flatter than many other notable buds. 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I checked the DAC after thinking my later iphone and ipod were less to my liking than a beat up nano and it was interesting to discover the DAC change. I had no real reason besides my ears to even look.

 

I got my Cowon because it had a Wolfson....maybe a placebo but it's a warm smooth tasting one:D 

 

And yeah....cuz most folks can hear the 5 and 35k's:blink:

 

It's the thought that counts. The thought of bean counters counting more money because kids read the specs like it's the secret in the sauce.....no...it's not!

Yea, apple made a stealth change there just like most major manufacturers. I think the only way everyone else found out was via your exact reaction, but I might be wrong. My DX50 likewise sounds wonderfully neutral and for some reason, I don't actually have a case of upgrade-itis for the DX90 :rolleyes:

 

It's business as usual to various degrees for them though. It's been going on for a long time, even since ancient times, and cases can still be found everywhere of which the headphone market is but one. I believe the correct term for this type of businessman is a snake oil salesman, but most of them are fairly harmless nowadays.

post #11053 of 11259

Just FYI: Older iPod DAC (Wolfson) and newer ones (Cirrus) sound the same.

 

Both have ruler-flat frequency response. 

 

Source: I own both.

 

If you want more information, drop into the sound-science sub-forum. 

 

EDIT: This is not a popular opinion on the forums, so I don't go around saying it much. Happy to say it to you guys, however.


Edited by White Lotus - 4/16/14 at 12:31am
post #11054 of 11259
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post

Just FYI: Older iPod DAC (Wolfson) and newer ones (Cirrus) sound the same.

Both have ruler-flat frequency response. 

Source: I own both.

If you want more information, drop into the sound-science sub-forum. 

EDIT: This is not a popular opinion on the forums, so I don't go around saying it much. Happy to say it to you guys, however.

Dont forget the absolute power placebo has on audiophile ears wink.gif
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Did you know Fostex made the old iBuds?
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