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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

Hold on, they own Infinity? That car manufacturer?!

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

My dual 18" subs in my home theater agree with you. A headphone will never rumble your body in such a way.

You should check out diysoundgroup.com. Jeff has a few kits on there too, from 8" to 15" speakers.
lol. The car manufacturer is Infiniti. With an I. The car stereo manufacturer is infinity with a y... Plus I don't know about that... You could funnel bass through a tube from two 25"(or whatever size) subs straight to your body... That's headphones, right? Wearing tubes on your head while laying down...
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ZMF VIBRO
so look I still wouldnt call this a bass head phone and I just have a prototype. 

For bass heads who like ortho bass like an lcd2, he400, or even the MD. I will say that this one easily has more bass than the MD PRO and 3.2 and ZMF v.2 yet its mids are REALLY full and rich. The kick drum smacks harder than the MD Pro for sure and you feel the bass more but its not slow. 
darn richer people than me... Y u guys get good stuff???
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For those DIYers. Anyone have experience with Infinite Baffle subs? Apparently relatively cheap and easy to drive so no real amping issues.
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

darn richer people than me... Y u guys get good stuff???
Ha ha riich... Haha lol not even close. I work for a temp agency in a warehouse. I come home with dirt in my nails that I scrub out before I touch these hp's.

plust thats a prototype
Edited by grizzlybeast - 4/9/14 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

Man that sounds as fun as all hell. I love enclosure projects.

 I used this before though there are others around:

http://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm

 

 

A modular easy to reconfig system depending on the room and contents sounds like an awesome project....I'm envious/feeling like copying you in my way. I put subs in my floor but I cannot touch them again without ripping up the floor and they really freak the neighbors since they are crossed low. When I do my annual Haunted House it's great and the neighbors show understanding but besides October I can never use em. I might copy you just so I can make a buncha enclosures. Keep us/me up to date and let us follow along...please.

 

Awesome link.  Cheers.  I hope later this year things will stabilise enough for me to start thinking seriously about DIY....I have wanted to do many things in my life...I have accomplished very few of those things so far!!! :L3000:

 

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Originally Posted by murphythecat View Post
 

im definitely a bass head. I use most of the time the highest bass setting on my Ican amp.

 

I wonder if its because of the headphone own limitation compared to a speaker. Since you cannot feel the bass with your body like a good speaker system does, increasing the bass output of my headphones really makes up for the limitations?

 

I've never had this problem of not being able to translate headphone bass.  Often times...when I have dolby headphone on and I hit play with my LCD2s I freak the hell out because it is very late and I'm thinking I'm gonna wake everyone up...I take the headphone off...and there really isn't excessive energy coming from anywhere, my speakers aren't even setup at this point.  The bass rumble felt is translated via headphones as 'bass air' to me...I hear bass air and I think big energy.

 

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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

From JBL? *Scoff*

 

No, I kid - I've seen the JBL Vertec system do some pretty amazing things.

 

 

But of course, that's a line array system, not a point source. 

 

I'm more of a D&B Audiotechnik fanboy myself. Subs like there's no tomorrow. Stacks that blow bass so hard you can literally hear it from miles and miles away.

 

Also, re-coning yourself is a tempting proposition, but be careful - if you don't get it done professionally, it's likely to blow out on you during a gig, which can lead to many tears.

 

There is plenty of re-coning places in Melbourne (I forgot where you are located) and some are dodgy as hell.

 

I had a mate who was so sick of his NEXO PS15 recone jobs blowing out, that he ended up striking a deal with NEXO in France to get it done. They even paid the freight! 

 

err uhh.. Anyway, HEADPHONES:

 

My Fiio E18 comes in today. Should be interesting to play with - I wonder if the bass boost is similar to the E12?

 

I saw the speaker tear downs of D&B on trinity sound in you tube...they are impressively built.  Because DB speakers are cheap speakers in Australia, I thought D AND B must be cheap and affordable...nope - dream on.  Unless those JBL 2226H second hand are a deal of the lifetime I might give them a miss for now...I think I already overstepped my priorities with the Peavey speakers.  Hmmm NEXO...sounds interesting.

 

Is it OK for me to share my speaker experience in the bass head thread...I thought it was a community thread...not a headphone thread and anything bass related is OK to discuss?  I know some of us get into headphones because we can't afford Hi-Fi...just shedding some light that pro-audio has us covered.  I bought my 12inch PA speakers at a DJ shop!  I had a single 300 watt 12 inch hi-fi sub I paid 300bucks for...I sold them because after I bought the HD650s...I could not get my monitors to sound like the HD650...the bass was SLOW on the sub and the monitors were snappier in the bass...I could not integrate them together no matter what crossover and EQ setting I used...they would not produce the bass mid cohesion that the HD650 could achieve so easily.  $100 pro speakers and problem is solved...the cheap pro-drivers are much faster than the cheaper Hi-Fi subs...they are as snappy as my monitors in the bass with far superior extension and superior low mid resolve...The horn tweeter is a WOW after correction with EQ...the sweet spot is the whole freakin room.  I did the maths...100 bucks - two speakers full range (stereo 12 inch midwoofers) or 300 bucks for mono 12 inch necessitating an internal amp and the whole thing is a fart fest.

 

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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post



how many subwoofers is that lotus? and from what I can tell, its just cheap speakers that have that much roll off.

 

Cheap speakers!!! HA!  This is crap spread by audiophiles.  The amount of R&D gone into sound reinforcement technologies and audio reproduction in this area throughout the decades is phenomenal...only to have the Hi-Fi industry hijack all the research to claim as their own.  Those are not subwoofers...think of them as lots of center channel speakers - mids and treble stacked on top and beside one another.  The subs are below, you cannot see...but they are there and there are lots and they are BIG.  If I can even get my hands on two of those speakers...prolly I'm done with my speaker adventures.  I can see 51 individual speaker cabinets...each probably cost a grand or more!  :evil:

 

Actually, here is a better idea on costs:  http://www.ebay.com/bhp/jbl-vertec

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Find a pair of Cerwin Vega's. Very good bass...........here's my pair. Not well respected by "audiophiles" but I think they sound great.

 

Good stuff...you've also got a good house curve dialled in with the EQ for the obviously small room...the smaller the room, the steeper the house curve needs to be.

 

 

Cerwin Vega vs Klipsh....the Vegas are clearly more tonally accurate to me...disregard the comments, most audiophiles clearly have no clue on what constitutes neutral.

 

 

Amazingly tight bass and full sound considering this is outdoors and the energy required to propagate sound pressure in this extreme environment...let alone tuneful tight and rhythmic bass.

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Originally Posted by murphythecat View Post
 

hi

I'm a diy guy and have a couple of big speakers with 12 inch or 15 inch, there nothing that can replace big speakers=big displacement= move more air= better bass.

 

If you dont want to go the diy route, which I think is the best bang for the buck if you go with a kit by a known designer, you should look at vintage speakers.

For 500$-700$, you can buy a good vintage vandersteen speaker or a KEF.

 

Look at audiokarma for the best deals for vintage speakers

 

or if you want to go the diy route, which I recommend since you can have a speaker that you would have to pay 2 to 5 k commercially for 300 to 800$.

 

Right now, in the diy community, the satori monitor made by jeff bagby called the Kairos would be my choice http://meniscusaudio.com/kairos-pair-p-1380.html. you could also get the joachim gerhard design, made with the satori drivers,. Joachim has a speaker company that sells speaker for 10 to 20k sometimes and he offers a kit for 800$.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/220330-sb-acoustics-satori-monitor-74.html

 

you can find a dynaco A 25 vintage speaker for 150$ everywhere in america, this is a decent entry speaker that offers good bass and good midrange.

 

diyaudio and audiokarma and partsexpress forum is your friend and can really help to get a idea on the hifi world.

 

The speaker world is much more diverse and expensive and crazy then headphones. the room is also super important with a speaker system. My room is completely isolated with 14 inch bass traps from floor to ceiling, treatment at the reflection point ect. but the result is worth it!

 

 

I guess Hi-Fi is expensive because of the cost of freight...but then again pro sound can sound full without the associated costs.  Must be paying for looks then.  Yes pretty slim speakers - wife friendly apparently...but look at the installation of every high end slim speaker - it takes the same amount of real estate as a real speaker and there is useable real estate on top of the proper speaker. Ima guess that there is simply a better profit margin for slim speakers so they tell us our wives will approve...my gay side tells me I can make a real speaker wife approved easily.  Glue fancy framed baby pictures to the top of the speaker (so they don't fall when the bass kicks), done. 

 

I've ventured into the speaker world and can't tell if those guys are off their heads or if they are legitimate...they nit pick everything!  Nevertheless...the DIY boys are definitely at least trying to make sense of it all...as opposed to profiteering.  I'm finding EQ is a legitimate form of room treatment if real room treatment is impractical, what digital EQ can do for headphones - it can do so much more for speakers, such as addressing the obvious overlapping FR of the tweets and woofers in my 100 buck pro speakers which has no real crossover. Room reflections is the first thing that an EQ can manage so well.

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Find a pair of Cerwin Vega's. Very good bass...........here's my pair. Not well respected by "audiophiles" but I think they sound great.

Everything not well respected by audiophiles sounds great :D

 

Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. I'll look into those. 

 

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Fewer parent companies own more subsidiaries than you think. Just look at Samsung for a typical example. What are they famous for? Consumer electronics. What else do they do? Ship-building; construction work; insurance; amusement (they own a theme park); aerospace, surveillance and defense; and advertising for third-parties. The world is a small place :D

Indeed it is.. 

 

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If any1 fancies, I've uploaded a new monthly hardstyle episode mix, I keep doing monthly mixes containing only promissing newcomer producers. Quite enjoying this month's mix. :)

Probably not many hardstyle lovers around but this is more melodic / euphoric stuff that maybe other genre listeners (trance, hardtrance, house listeners etc in particular may also enjoy).

Enjoy! :)


 


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If any1 fancies, I've uploaded a new monthly hardstyle episode mix, I keep doing monthly mixes containing only promissing newcomer producers. Quite enjoying this month's mix. smily_headphones1.gif


Probably not many hardstyle lovers around but this is more melodic / euphoric stuff that maybe other genre listeners (trance, hardtrance, house listeners etc in particular may also enjoy).


Enjoy! smily_headphones1.gif




 

Dude! I love Hardstyle! Why are you only telling us this now biggrin.gif great mix btw, do you have a download link for it?

IMO In your next mix try adding some Wildstylez, Headhunterz and some Brennan Heart..
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Dude! I love Hardstyle! Why are you only telling us this now biggrin.gif great mix btw, do you have a download link for it?

IMO In your next mix try adding some Wildstylez, Headhunterz and some Brennan Heart..


Dude, I even BOLDED the newcomer words above :P "Future of Euphoric Stylez" mixes is supposed to contain only producers who aren't signed to big labels or not signed at all but have very high skill nonetheless. :P I make monthy promoting mixes for such producers.

My main channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/EuphoricHardStyleZ where all kinds of euphoric hardstyle tracks are uploaded. I'm actually the 2nd biggest hardstyle channel on the whole youtube with almost 50k subbers now, the biggest one has like 55k but that one has been active like 2 years LONGER than me that I will likely overtake slightly later this year too. ^^

And those suggestions of yours are the producers of the most mainstream/commercial hardstyle of today. :P Just add D-Block & S-te-Fan in there too and it would be complete. I'm personally more into the 2008 - 2010 era especially, it's starting to sound way too much like house and with too much pop-like vocals.


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Are they your personal mixes RPGWizard?  I like the drive of the melody...feeds into my youthful death wish days, yup, the freudism deathwish drive is strongest amongst young males!!!

 

I think music goes around in circles...these type tunes exist in everything from classical orchestral to heavy metal and now in EDM, dubstep etc.  People need to get over their genre-ism and realise that music of all genres serve the exact same purpose.

 

I think about Mozart quite often:

 

 

The deathwish was strong in Mozart...was when he created his masterpiece.

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hi, the hifi world is not one big block. you can not generalize. You can get a amazing speaker for 2k. At the same time, you have wilson alexandria costing 200k. The alexandria will not sound 100 time better of course. You just have to be smart and research a lot before committing to hifi.

 

For example, one can find for around 2 k a Wilson audio CUB speaker. I have heard those and they are amazing, mind blowing, just incredible. They were around 7k new, but now used, its relatively cheap. Add a good sub, and your at 95% of the Alexandria for around 2.5k. Is it worth it, damn yes. Is hifi all gimmicks, yes and no. When you hear a amazing hifi speaker, the resuslt are impressive enough to be worth it, if you have the money.

 

About EQ, EQ is good up to a certain degree. It will never make a bright room into a silent room.

 

Treatment makes a incredible difference that no EQ can ever make. I would say that treating my room is about 30% of someone system. Some would even claim that you cant have a good sound without serious room treatment. And by serious, you have to have BIG bass traps.

 

I used in my small room 5 bags like that, the difference is huge, really huge. https://www.google.ca/search?q=safe+and+sound+treatment&client=firefox-a&hs=zSc&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=naxGU_OZJOTQsQSdioGADw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=638#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=uDrAt3NDVqhcZM%253A%3BahxWLM7tL53cQM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.homemusicproduction.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F05%252FDIY-Build-Acoustic-Panels-For-Your-Home-Studio-Roxul.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.homemusicproduction.com%252Fbuild-acoustic-panels-for-your-home-studio%252F%3B276%3B166

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Dude, I even BOLDED the newcomer words above :P "Future of Euphoric Stylez" mixes is supposed to contain only producers who aren't signed to big labels or not signed at all but have very high skill nonetheless. :P I make monthy promoting mixes for such producers.


My main channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/EuphoricHardStyleZ where all kinds of euphoric hardstyle tracks are uploaded. I'm actually the 2nd biggest hardstyle channel on the whole youtube with almost 50k subbers now, the biggest one has like 55k but that one has been active like 2 years LONGER than me that I will likely overtake slightly later this year too. ^^


And those suggestions of yours are the producers of the most mainstream/commercial hardstyle of today. :P Just add D-Block & S-te-Fan in there too and it would be complete. I'm personally more into the 2008 - 2010 era especially, it's starting to sound way too much like house and with too much pop-like vocals.

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

Are they your personal mixes RPGWizard?  I like the drive of the melody...feeds into my youthful death wish days, yup, the freudism deathwish drive is strongest amongst young males!!!

I think music goes around in circles...these type tunes exist in everything from classical orchestral to heavy metal and now in EDM, dubstep etc.  People need to get over their genre-ism and realise that music of all genres serve the exact same purpose.

I think about Mozart quite often:




The deathwish was strong in Mozart...was when he created his masterpiece.
all I listen to in edm is underground artists, or up and comers... Exception of monstercat. Plus that's my reasoning for listening to basically every type of music sp. Love orchestra, edm, 70-80's, j-pop etc.
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I love skrillex, deadmau5, knife party, dubba jonny, the glitch mob, monstercat, ect because that was the dubstep that brought me to dubstep.

Ofcourse there are a ton of less mainstream artists i love as well... Blackmill being my fav, arkasia, seven lions, au5 is awesome, ect.

I never got the skrillex hate. Yeah, if someone hates dubstep and has only heard him there are a million different kinds of dubstep they could end up loving, but that doesnt mean hes a bad artist... I love some of his songs.

Anyways, as far as the bass is heard not felt in headphones debate goes.....

Its definetly felt. No its not like a subwoofer but i have felt it on my body tons of times, no idea how my brain interpreted the bass like that, but it did. Even when i only feel it on my head i FEEL it on my head.

Really depends on the headphones though.
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I love skrillex, deadmau5, knife party, dubba jonny, the glitch mob, monstercat, ect because that was the dubstep that brought me to dubstep.

Ofcourse there are a ton of less mainstream artists i love as well... Blackmill being my fav, arkasia, seven lions, au5 is awesome, ect.

I never got the skrillex hate. Yeah, if someone hates dubstep and has only heard him there are a million different kinds of dubstep they could end up loving, but that doesnt mean hes a bad artist... I love some of his songs.

Anyways, as far as the bass is heard not felt in headphones debate goes.....

Its definetly felt. No its not like a subwoofer but i have felt it on my body tons of times, no idea how my brain interpreted the bass like that, but it did. Even when i only feel it on my head i FEEL it on my head.

Really depends on the headphones though.
Have you listened to Skrillex's new album (Recess) ? I found it to be pretty good.
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For those DIYers. Anyone have experience with Infinite Baffle subs? Apparently relatively cheap and easy to drive so no real amping issues.

 

I've read something about infinite baffle subs...apparently once you go infinite baffle subs you can't go back, bass was supposedly extremely fast.  You do need to get a driver specifically for this application with a massive excursion because without the loading of the cone, it is free to flap as fast as it wants...free like a bird.

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Ha ha riich... Haha lol not even close. I work for a temp agency in a warehouse. I come home with dirt in my nails that I scrub out before I touch these hp's.

plust thats a prototype

 

Ain't no shame in that.  I loved it when I worked at a warehouse aeons ago, when the truck came in for deliveries and I had to wrestle the fridges and driers out and store them...yup, me and only me...apparently sales people do not lift, nevertheless that was a relief to find out that there were jobs that didn't kill me with boredom out there...just gotta get physical y'know.

 

Plus the secret of us with rough hands know it...gently running our sandpaper hands along the soft skin of a woman, ya...they all love it.  I keep thinking about them 'auto technicians' that wear gloves to keep their hands soft...WTF...defeats the advantage.  Of course they're laughing now as dermatitis sucks...and mine still flares up every second day having not seen serious mechanical duties since late 2011 - was worth it! Ying-Yang y'know...have the power of touch, but pay for it with dermatitis...

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