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They do look suprisingly good for $100 headphones. What seems to be exceptionally good quality pads in particular for that price and ability to plug in left or right side is an uncommon feature around this priceclass. Hopefully this would be some good budget basshead option.

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Originally Posted by deciBel23 View Post
 

If this were true, the only cans we'd have would be Beats, Sony, Bose, etc.

That is pretty much how the mass market is. We at Head-fi are the exception, but overall a very small slice of buyers.

 

The Drama is an awesome Basshead can. It's not an accurate studio monitor by any means, but it has a nice, deep bass rumble to it that would satisfy any basshead, yet retains plenty of clarity up high. It recesses the mids to achieve this, and you can tell when you A/B them against the Dolphin. Both are exceptional values though.

 

The only reason I sold both of mine, was because I needed the money from a job loss. Just got a new job last week though :)

 

Here is the Donscorpio selling page in China. The Drama was originally a $200+ headphone, but because they are a new company, they haven't gotten the word of mouth yet and dropped prices. All models look absolutely gorgeous and sound awesome. We've been really enjoying them in the Chinese audio thread.

 

http://donscorpio.taobao.com/?v=1

post #10863 of 11259

Okay, so Dolphin is better then if you don't like recessed mids, is the bass still plenty in the Dolphins too?

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Have you heard the Perfect Sound dido? It's the best bass coming out of 40mm drivers.

Using that as a ref....how do the bass monitors match up.

I'm already set with bass cans but under the radar priced right stuff is always on my radar.

 

Can you compare the bass hits of the 2?

post #10865 of 11259

2 weeks ago I laid down a deposit to secure my new speakers on the special sale price of 400 bucks a pair, brand new from brick and mortars musicians store:

 

 

I remember Peavey - in my aspiring musician days, I was surrounded by them, it's funny how my Hi-Fi journey is coming full circle back to my pre-audiophile days.  At the musicians store, these were on display with a tube amp in the middle - I still have not heard them.  The woofers are 15 inches - four of these Peavey woofers would cost more than 400 in Australia.  I want to purchase four second hand JBL 2226H 15 inch pro audio drivers for $350 here:

 

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/sydney-region/audio/jbl-woofers-sub/1042941823

 

Each JBL woofer would cost close to 700 dollars brand new in Australia.  Two of the drivers need 'work', but I checked you tube on re-coning - I can do this job myself easily.  I would like to transplant the JBLs into this enclosure...Are these famed JBL 2226Hs worth 350 second hand for four?  Does anyone here know (looking at White Lotus)?
 

It all started when I accidentally came across these youtube videos:

 

 

I have no idea who Kenrick Sound is...but through the LCD2s these speakers sound good, he has a craptone of speaker videos, and all the speakers sound good.  They all have one thing in common...big pro audio midrange woofers.

 

So then, for $100 brand new I bought a pair of these 3 weeks ago:

 

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Pro audio speakers - cheap as chips, 12 inch mid-woofer.  I've already dismantled them and the cabinets are braced internally - something you will never see in Hi-Fi speakers at this price or some in much much higher prices.  I have played around with the tweeters and have discovered that after 'burning in' my first experience with horn tweeters are very positive - amazing all enveloping sound from the upper mids to treble from the top horn - I have disconnected the bullet tweeters as they seem to cause phasing issues with the horn tweeter - they both run parallel with just a capacitor - the woofer is fullrange.  Equalisation is the key and these can be equalised far more effectively than my Tannoy bookshelf monitors - custom crossovers are easy to fabricate for your own tastes.  Its the midrange.  Light paper cone woofers - these are as cheap as they come, they separate the mids near middle C far better than a tiny polypropylene cone.  Bass tightness is the same as my monitors, but goes lower and requires less EQ than my Tannoys...my KT88 push pull tube amp was wasted on the bookshelves...these bring out the tubes much better.  96db sensitivity as well.  Those Peaveys have a sensitivity close to 100dbs - this tickles my tube amp fetish.

 

I have no complaints with the speed of the piezo horn - the woofers are the weak link - as in all speakers I have ever heard period...the research in upgrading the 12 inchers were frustrating - the price we pay here in Australia are ridiculous compared to the US for drivers...hence I snapped up the Peaveys instead.  When a bassists say that hi-fi subs are fuzzy and uses pro audio woofers for playing bass...and an electric guitarist praises a 15-inch pro woofer because he can hear every string strum on a chord...I pay attention.  When 15 inches are used for mids and an 18 inch sub is recommended for bass extension...I hope these mids are special...Sennheisser/Audeze kind of special.  The cheap 12 inchers are telling me that they will be special.

 

Now...when I get the Peaveys, what will I do?  As I have no space for them....:confused_face_2:

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Just how much bass do the Drama's have exactly?

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 Each JBL woofer would cost close to 700 dollars brand new in Australia.  Two of the drivers need 'work', but I checked you tube on re-coning - I can do this job myself easily.

 

Holy **** they tax you hard down there.

That's an insane price for pulp fiber drivers.

Are the surrounds butyl rubber or foam? <<<<That mod is not too hard but coning is the easiest so replacing a surround is tedious and laborious in comparison

Are you gonna cross them over?

post #10868 of 11259
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Originally Posted by GeneraI View Post

Whatever you want to believe.
I believe that better bass isn't loud bass like some of the others, but more accurate bass. I just like to get some thumps from the JVC's when I'm bored. I 95% of the time use k240's.
post #10869 of 11259
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

Holy **** they tax you hard down there.
That's an insane price for pulp fiber drivers.
Are the surrounds butyl rubber or foam? <<<<That mod is not too hard but coning is the easiest so replacing a surround is tedious and laborious in comparison
Are you gonna cross them over?
yeah they tax me pretty hard on mars too. biggrin.gif...(that was supposed to make zero sense. If you smirked from confusion, then mission accomplished.)
post #10870 of 11259
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

what are those and what headphone are you saying is flimsy

 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

no doubt but he has two headphones there that look dif. Are the both the same.

 

New headphones from a company called "DonScorpio" (weird name! :p)

They have a "bassy" option (Drama) and more balanced option (Dolphin). Both are kind of flimsy, the Drama seems more durable though. Since I baby my headphones and I don't extend the cups too much, I think that they will last a bit. Also their cases seem durable enough and sturdy enough to protect the headphones.

 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

gelocks will be in I hope.

The Dolphin are more stylish spectrum friendly though bass emphasized per reports. The Bass Monitors...I have never seen or heard of them? They are priced right I think the Perfect dido are the max low end a 40mm will give ya but maybe these.....and for the price? I'd buy em just for the cost to performance ratio depending on gelocks review.

 

"Bass Monitors"....sound all valid and ****...me wants just cuz it's rare....if the word is good...so I wait.

 

Yeah. Rare, good looking and decent sounding as well. Initial impressions below....

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

They do look suprisingly good for $100 headphones. What seems to be exceptionally good quality pads in particular for that price and ability to plug in left or right side is an uncommon feature around this priceclass. Hopefully this would be some good budget basshead option.

 

Pads indeed seem good quality (at least better than what comes with cans like the M50, Q40s, etc.) I think it's kind of on par with the Monster N-Pulse pad in feel. And yeah, at the price they are currently selling (like $100 for the Dolphins, and $120 for the Dramas) I think they do have decent set of features (2 cables, case, etc)

 

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

That is pretty much how the mass market is. We at Head-fi are the exception, but overall a very small slice of buyers.

 

The Drama is an awesome Basshead can. It's not an accurate studio monitor by any means, but it has a nice, deep bass rumble to it that would satisfy any basshead, yet retains plenty of clarity up high. It recesses the mids to achieve this, and you can tell when you A/B them against the Dolphin. Both are exceptional values though.

 

The only reason I sold both of mine, was because I needed the money from a job loss. Just got a new job last week though :)

 

Here is the Donscorpio selling page in China. The Drama was originally a $200+ headphone, but because they are a new company, they haven't gotten the word of mouth yet and dropped prices. All models look absolutely gorgeous and sound awesome. We've been really enjoying them in the Chinese audio thread.

 

http://donscorpio.taobao.com/?v=1

 

That's probably why I hadn't seen any reviews... Any translations/web threads you can provide?

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

Okay, so Dolphin is better then if you don't like recessed mids, is the bass still plenty in the Dolphins too?

 

Dolphins seem to be more "laidback" in the bass department, it definitely has a more "balanced" spectrum/freq response. Bass definitely doesn't hit as hard, especially sub-bass and cannot detect a mid-bass hump either. Listening to Jon Cleary - So Damn Good (which sound good on almost all headphones I've tried! LOL ... love Jon Cleary!!) the bass line is not really all that emphasized. It sounds good but bass impact is definitely a bit lacking compared to something like the Alpha Dogs (sorry, but it's the one I had at the moment). The rest does sound very decent. Maybe a bit touch bright (with the songs I've tried at least). I think that it definitely has a couple of "peaks" (especially at 4 to 6khz it seems, some songs like Jakwob - "Erupt", Pendulum - "Witchcraft" can sound a bit harsh). Male vocals sound a bit nasal as well but no biggie.

 

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

Have you heard the Perfect Sound dido? It's the best bass coming out of 40mm drivers.

Using that as a ref....how do the bass monitors match up.

I'm already set with bass cans but under the radar priced right stuff is always on my radar.

 

Can you compare the bass hits of the 2?

 

Regarding the Dramas, yup, they are indeed "bassier" than the Dolphins. Sub-bass is actually quite elevated when directly compared. Bass has kind of a "reverb-y" nature to it though so it sounds a bit loose and all over the place. Definitely mid bleeding here. As mentioned by bhazard, mids are indeed recessed a bit but somehow I enjoy these more than the Dolphins! Not because they sound more "fun" but because there's something "weird" going on that I can't yet pinpoint. Not sure if it's that "reverb" type sound that's actually making even metal and rock tracks more enjoyable (along with the impact of the kick drums). Sound stage seems to be wider than the Dolphins and less "in your face". For being V-Shaped, I don't find the highs offensive at all.

 

Now, what all of you are probably waiting for, I think bass impact is NOT up to par with: Yamaha Pro 500s, Dido D901s, Denon D5000, Sig DJs, and no Hawaii, not stronger than the SZ2000 (I'm pretty sure you would blow up these drivers with your set up... I'm not even at 11 o clock on my Schiit Magni driven by AK100 MK2 and drivers are vibrating like crazy with a simple song such as Kaskade - Back on You.)

 

From memory, I definitely enjoy these more than the DT770 Pro 80 (more behaved on the highs, less recessed mids, do note that I didn't find the bass on the DT770 to be tight at all...), Skullcandy Mix Master Mike (not really super bassy), V-MODA M100 (I still think of the comfort factor and... ugh... Drama's doesn't sound as dull in the highs), Spider PowerForce (good cheapo option, but lacks clarity), Monster N-Pulse (I actually like these a lot, but, again, the Drama's seem to be more fun), AIAIAI TMA-1 Young Guru Edition (not really all that good, lack sub-bass against the Drama's and it's a bit dull... again, prefer the Dramas). I think the M-Audio Q40s are still a bit better "overall" in the spectrum than the Dramas but would probably take the Drama's due to cool case, being very good looking, a bit more comfortable out of the box, and very decent sounding.

 

For $120 or less right now, these sound very good to my ears and easy on the wallet.

 

But again, these are first impressions, take them with a grain of salt and add a bit of "NTS" (New Toy Syndrome) to the results...

 

I will update and or post reviews later in a few weeks or more...

 

 

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

Holy **** they tax you hard down there.

That's an insane price for pulp fiber drivers.

Are the surrounds butyl rubber or foam? <<<<That mod is not too hard but coning is the easiest so replacing a surround is tedious and laborious in comparison

Are you gonna cross them over?

 

Those woofers aint no car duf duf speakers...they cost Americans over 500 bucks each brand new...they have cloth surrounds and ultimate excursion is not the design parameter...ultimate quickness is the goal and paper woofers are the lightest, if ya gonna duf duf, might as well make it the finest duf duf in the world!  I checked you tube on how they re-do surrounds and it seems more painfull than replacing the whole voicecoil/cone/surround assemblies...anyways it costs about 150 here for a re-cone kit...exactly twice as much as the U.S.

 

I'll use the existing Peavey crossovers for now as these can actually extend past 1 khz into the midrange...ultimately I am thinking eventually I would like to build a speaker in sections, or modules...a bass module, a low mid module, a high mid module and a treble module...these can be stacked differently and allow for back and forth movement to allow for delay and axis adjustments.  Each module is independantly powered and the crossover is digital - straight from the SPDIF signal...then feeding into separate amps ...active crossovers.  Tubes will drive everything from low mids up and solid state will drive the bass modules.

 

In light of Dr. Olive's research with Harman...I am actually starting to think JBL pro audio division know their stuff...and EQ has been the driving force behind my interests of late...it can lower room excitation and tighten up response.  It is possible to improve transient response with an equaliser as evident by CSD plots of pre and post EQ...for speakers it's telling me a 4 way passive crossover is easily built shelving each section as required with resistors...the ability to shelve these 4 sections takes you 90 percent there in tonal balance.

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Oh, those JVCs when EQ'ed ARE MONSTERS!!!! BASS MONSTERS Really.

I took you at your word. You called em' "Low-Fi" sounding too...and you nailed it!!:D They sound like home speakers on your ears but...man..I love that ****!!!

Ever heard the Velodyne vtrue's?  You should check em out.

 

I'll pass on these but thanks for the crib notes review. 

 

You the man.

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

ultimately I am thinking eventually I would like to build a speaker in sections, or modules...a bass module, a low mid module, a high mid module and a treble module...these can be stacked differently and allow for back and forth movement to allow for delay and axis adjustments.  Each module is independantly powered and the crossover is digital - straight from the SPDIF signal...then feeding into separate amps ...active crossovers.  Tubes will drive everything from low mids up and solid state will drive the bass modules.

 

In light of Dr. Olive's research with Harman...I am actually starting to think JBL pro audio division know their stuff...and EQ has been the driving force behind my interests of late...it can lower room excitation and tighten up response.  It is possible to improve transient response with an equaliser as evident by CSD plots of pre and post EQ...for speakers it's telling me a 4 way passive crossover is easily built shelving each section as required with resistors...the ability to shelve these 4 sections takes you 90 percent there in tonal balance.

 

Man that sounds as fun as all hell. I love enclosure projects.

 I used this before though there are others around:

http://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm

 

 

A modular easy to reconfig system depending on the room and contents sounds like an awesome project....I'm envious/feeling like copying you in my way. I put subs in my floor but I cannot touch them again without ripping up the floor and they really freak the neighbors since they are crossed low. When I do my annual Haunted House it's great and the neighbors show understanding but besides October I can never use em. I might copy you just so I can make a buncha enclosures. Keep us/me up to date and let us follow along...please.

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im definitely a bass head. I use most of the time the highest bass setting on my Ican amp.

 

I wonder if its because of the headphone own limitation compared to a speaker. Since you cannot feel the bass with your body like a good speaker system does, increasing the bass output of my headphones really makes up for the limitations?

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Originally Posted by murphythecat View Post
 

im definitely a bass head. I use most of the time the highest bass setting on my Ican amp.

 

I wonder if its because of the headphone own limitation compared to a speaker. Since you cannot feel the bass with your body like a good speaker system does, increasing the bass output of my headphones really makes up for the limitations?

I don't think there's a headphone that can shake your body with bass lol. The maximum bassy headphones can do is provide a nice ear massage and sometimes tickle your brain cells :L3000:.

 

Im not much of a speaker person (though I'd love to learn about them more one day) but i do enjoy car audio a lot. One time in a car i actually felt the bass through my lungs, strange but certainly an awesome feeling. 

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