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There is more Jaben stores than just the Australian one. There are other Jabens in other countries, its a chain of Audio Stores. Just because there isn't one in Melbourne doesn't mean he did not Audition it at another Jaben elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by UNIFi View Post
 

There is more Jaben stores than just the Australian one. There are other Jabens in other countries, its a chain of Audio Stores. Just because there isn't one in Melbourne doesn't mean he did not Audition it at another Jaben elsewhere.

 

Did you mean to post that in this thread? haha!

 

(Also, there is a Jaben  in Melbourne - http://www.jaben.com.au/pages/about-us)

post #10788 of 11259
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The bass is the same as your Q40. :blink:

 

The guy who owned them said it was like 18" subs strapped to his head. You don't like the mids...sure. The bass is on par with the Q40?

 

Your nuts. 

 

I'm a basshead. I'd own the Q40 if they hit harder. They don't hit as hard as Beat studio/pro Yamaha 500 etc. I'll be ignoring you from now on. Some things are opinion others are flaming fanboyism.

 

Enjoy being delirious.

 

Q40...worst experience of my purchasing life. Friends own it though so it's claim to fame is mildly cup vibing bass with spectacular low to mid transition.

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THESE hit harder than your Q40 and they are my 4th hardest hitting cans.

This is the basshead club. You implying that the Q40 hit as hard as the sz2000 ignores physics 40mm v.s. 55mm Plastic cup v.s. hardened aluminum cup.

You make no sense.

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I just sent an e-mail to them. I post pics because I believe some of what I hear and more of what I see. I don't think you coulda heard the sz2000 and honestly compared the power of the bass hit to the Q40. Your lying or crazy

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I just called them. They made me wait and said they do not have it but can order anything for me.:mad:...tha ****???? I just PM'd them I just called that # on facebook and waited while they searched the computer. I also Facebook Pm'd them. They never had that. They said they do not carry any over ear J.V.C besides backstock. And it's RX series only. Anyone doubts this call them. I just did from Japan on a cellphone because this reeked of B.S. Why am I pissed? Because someone said something off the charts ridiculous. Now I spent a long distance charge to confirm what i knew. You should not pick a shop with a FB page. He checked the inventory by computer while I waited...they don't even have an extra on display model...they never did. I gotta teach now but after I can share a FB PM if you'd like to insist on it.

Sure you can disagree with me but ignoring me...what? :rolleyes: Well, you're free to do whatever, it is a free world after all. I just don't understand why you would ignore someone after a subjective comment like that because of 'fanboyism' when you're been fanboying about JVC cans all along.

 

Keep in mind that I don't use a bass boost with any of my headphones and I don't listen to the same genres of music that you do. The slight differences in bass quantity could have been hidden due to the way I auditioned them as I used the 627 MICRO which is an amp not entirely known for bass impact. It probably is indeed easier to disconcern differences in bass quantity and impact when a strong bass boost is used. Perhaps the two cans respond and scale up differently to different types of amps. Also, remember what I said about not really liking a V-shaped sound signature and that affecting my opinion on the cans as a whole. Also, maybe the cans I auditioned wasn't what I thought they were, but I'll be returning to the Jaben today so I can confirm as well as take a picture.

 

By the way, I was at Jaben Hong Kong, so make sure you send the email/pm/whatever to the right place. Ask for a Hong Kong-nese guy who bought 6 DiY plugs and who was with another Hong Kong-ese guy who also auditioned a bunch of amps, but they may or may not understand English so be careful.


Edited by BucketInABucket - 4/8/14 at 2:23am
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Hey guys, before you start tearing each others heads off, please be aware of the obvious:

 

Headphones will sound different on different sources, and EQ settings. 

post #10790 of 11259
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Hey guys, before you start tearing each others heads off, please be aware of the obvious:

 

Headphones will sound different on different sources, and EQ settings. 

I agree, it's what I posted in my reply too.

 

Well if he wants to become angry at what I posted, I won't stop him. Indeed, it is my mistake if what I auditioned turned out not to be the cans I claimed the Q40 bested. I just don't understand why he's ignoring me now :rolleyes:

post #10791 of 11259
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Originally Posted by BucketInABucket View Post
 

Sure you can disagree with me but ignoring me...what? :rolleyes: Well, you're free to do whatever, it is a free world after all. I just don't understand why you would ignore someone after a subjective comment like that because of 'fanboyism' when you're been fanboying about JVC cans all along.

 

Keep in mind that I don't use a bass boost with any of my headphones and I don't listen to the same genres of music that you do. The slight differences in bass quantity could have been hidden due to the way I auditioned them as I used the 627 MICRO which is an amp not entirely known for bass impact. It probably is indeed easier to disconcern differences in bass quantity and impact when a strong bass boost is used. Perhaps the two cans respond and scale up differently to different types of amps. Also, remember what I said about not really liking a V-shaped sound signature and that affecting my opinion on the cans as a whole. Also, maybe the cans I auditioned wasn't what I thought they were, but I'll be returning to the Jaben today so I can confirm as well as take a picture.

 

By the way, I was at Jaben Hong Kong, so make sure you send the email/pm/whatever to the right place. Ask for a Hong Kong-nese guy who bought 6 DiY plugs and who was with another Hong Kong-ese guy who also auditioned a bunch of amps, but they may or may not understand English so be careful.

 

Read the part I bolded. How in the **** are you supposed to determine which cans hit harder without boosting them and if you don't maybe you should say that? The Q40 are not able to approach the sz2000. That's a reflection of driver size and solid housing.

 

It's not opinion. It's not even close.  For the rest of you crawling out of the woodwork go **** yourselves. When I was asking for the hardest hitting cans folks were recommending stuff that now...looks like a joke including the Q40. Does anyone...anybody really believe they hit a 50Hz note harder than  Yamaha pro 500, Velodyne, Ultrasone Pro 900 77's or sz2000??? Really?

 

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 Keep in mind that I don't use a bass boost with any of my headphones and I don't listen to the same genres of music that you do.

 

I do. I boost the **** outta stuff until they choke and distort. You know that. You have seen my posts and I have seen yours. Why would you imply a pair of sonic cannons that EVERYBODY who owned advised to amp...why would you imply they are ....(whatever you said)

 

Compare them to a well tuned set of 40mm drivers that are renowned for bass to mid transition and overall spectrum response.

 

Take this song

 

 

get the 320kbps at MP3fiber 

 

turn the bass way up and compare the hits. I ain't gonna block ya cuz I wanna hear your evaluation of boosted bass impact.....impact.

 

Until JVC ****s me I'm on the bandwagon. You compare bass hits for everybody on here who doesn't know. I am genuinely thrilled if you do that. Some folks hunt for cans like the sz2000 and you ignore or missed everything I said. grizzly heard it...my advice

1 Amp

2. Heavily boost the lows

3 Hp Hop heavy library.

 

That song as high as your Q 40 will hit...all the way to distortion cuz it will...then plug in the sz and enjoy ...and then turn it up some more.

post #10792 of 11259
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Hey guys, before you start tearing each others heads off, please be aware of the obvious:

 

Headphones will sound different on different sources, and EQ settings. 

 

I was having an out of body experience.

Sorry.

 

He doesn't boost the low end or listen to Hip Hop?  These are low end monsters. Why bother? 

These hit harder than anything. I never compared the sound quality to the Q40. I don't know anyone who has?

 

My apologies to bucket. and everyone else.

 

I wasted a long distance call to compare apples to.....oranges.

 

****!!

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Read the part I bolded. How in the **** are you supposed to determine which cans hit harder without boosting them and if you don't maybe you should say that? The Q40 are not able to approach the sz2000. That's a reflection of driver size and solid housing.

 

It's not opinion. It's not even close.  For the rest of you crawling out of the woodwork go **** yourselves. When I was asking for the hardest hitting cans folks were recommending stuff that now...looks like a joke including the Q40. Does anyone...anybody really believe they hit a 50Hz note harder than  Yamaha pro 500, Velodyne, Ultrasone Pro 900 77's or sz2000??? Really?

 

I do. I boost the **** outta stuff until they choke and distort. You know that. You have seen my posts and I have seen yours. Why would you imply a pair of sonic cannons that EVERYBODY who owned advised to amp...why would you imply they are ....(whatever you said)

 

Compare them to a well tuned set of 40mm drivers that are renowned for bass to mid transition and overall spectrum response.

 

Take this song

 

 

get the 320kbps at MP3fiber 

 

turn the bass way up and compare the hits. I ain't gonna block ya cuz I wanna hear your evaluation of boosted bass impact.....impact.

 

Until JVC ****s me I'm on the bandwagon. You compare bass hits for everybody on here who doesn't know. I am genuinely thrilled if you do that. Some folks hunt for cans like the sz2000 and you ignore or missed everything I said. grizzly heard it...my advice

1 Amp

2. Heavily boost the lows

3 Hp Hop heavy library.

 

That song as high as your Q 40 will hit...all the way to distortion cuz it will...then plug in the sz and enjoy ...and then turn it up some more.

 

Yes, I know that it's not the correct conditions for auditioning the cans according to you. However, I'm inferring, not implying, that when listening to them at normal listening conditions for me and when I used a fairly objective method of comparing bass impact at levels of bass boost that I would normally use, they didn't impress me. Yes, I did amp them, but not with an amp with a bass boost. Instead, I used the 627 MICRO, which is an audiophile amp through and through. At that time I didn't see the point of trying them using an amount of bass boost that I would never use normally.

 

However, if you want me to try them again using your level of bass boosting, I've got no problem doing so as I'm going out to Mong Kok again which is where the audio stores that I frequent in HK are located and can easily swing by the local Jaben again. I'm pretty curious as to just how hard they'll hit after all and I think I will get the result you expect. They probably do hit a lot harder without distortion when the bass is boosted ~20dB as they have carbon nanotube drivers after all, compared to the Q40's plastic-like material (not sure what it is). I'll get back to you after I'm done.

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I notice one big conflict here, HBB is talking about heavily boosted bass + loud volume usage and BucketInABucket is talking about EQ-less non bass boosted usage and probably not near as loud levels as HBB.

You can't compare both those usage scenarios to each other and neither is HBB's scenario nor BucketInABucket more "correct" or "deciding", that's a question of personal taste and if one doesn't like boosting bass or listen loud he doesn't have to compare it that way either. I personally like boosting the bass using digiZoid ZO amp but I don't like listening loud for example, I use the constant same volume setting all the time to adapt to a lower vol listening (if I never push up the volume then my brain doesn't lust for it either).

Besides the different listening habits/scenarios, then we have another important aspect to think about, different genres provide very different kinds of bass. As total opposite to HBB's hip-hop I will show a hardstyle example with a particularly well fitting beat that is like the polar-opposite of what hip-hop beats are like. Q40 in particular does extremely well with hardstyle kicks (you call the beats as "kicks" in hardstyle). It provides a very satisfying impact/hit, it's not so much about audible bass in hardstyle, it's more about the impact/punch. It's fast but hard-hitting, fast-decaying with lots of "texture" you can call it as there's mids/highs that are mixed INTO the beat itself and it's also "distorted" in various ways to give it an interesting sound. 

Here's an example:


Here's the kind of bass that I'm more into for example and Q40 hit so hard with this kind of bass. I'm just using this as an example that the fact that people can like different kinds of things in bass, for me it's the "impact", the slam or whatever that is satisfying, Q40 do that well in relative to the amount bass quantity it packs and also provides good overall sound quality when bass put aside.

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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I was having an out of body experience.

Sorry.

 

He doesn't boost the low end or listen to Hip Hop?  These are low end monsters. Why bother? 

These hit harder than anything. I never compared the sound quality to the Q40. I don't know anyone who has?

 

My apologies to bucket. and everyone else.

 

I wasted a long distance call to compare apples to.....oranges.

 

****!!

That's alright. Like I stated in my reply, we listen to headphones at completely different conditions. Conflicts between different types of people will always happen but as long as we shake hands after the disagreement it'll be fine.

 

I'm probably a hybrid type 1/type 2 basshead only half the time and you're a full-on hardcore type 3. (Am I correct though? Type 1 is audiophile bass-head, type 2 is typical boosted bass-head and type 3 is tons of bassboost-head, right? Do correct me if I'm wrong.) Like you said, apples to oranges. The Q40 is perfect for me while the SZ-2000 is perfect for you and we'll continue preaching the merits of these two headphones to people in this club. 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

I notice one big conflict here, HBB is talking about heavily boosted bass + loud volume usage and BiaB is talking about EQ-less non bass boosted usage and probably not near as loud levels as HBB.

You can't compare both those usage scenarios to each other and neither is HBB's scenario nor BucketInABucket more "correct" or "deciding", that's a question of personal taste and if one doesn't like boosting bass or listen loud he doesn't have to compare it that way either. I personally like boosting the bass using digiZoid ZO amp but I don't like listening loud for example, I use the constant same volume setting all the time to adapt to a lower vol listening (if I never push up the volume then my brain doesn't lust for it either).

You are correct here, I'm typically a medium-volume user when on the go and a low-volume user when at home. What HBB has said about the bass impact has somewhat piqued my interest though.


Edited by BucketInABucket - 4/8/14 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I notice one big conflict here, HBB is talking about heavily boosted bass + loud volume usage and BucketInABucket is talking about EQ-less non bass boosted usage and probably not near as loud levels as HBB.


You can't compare both those usage scenarios to each other and neither is HBB's scenario nor BucketInABucket more "correct" or "deciding", that's a question of personal taste and if one doesn't like boosting bass or listen loud he doesn't have to compare it that way either. I personally like boosting the bass using digiZoid ZO amp but I don't like listening loud for example, I use the constant same volume setting all the time to adapt to a lower vol listening (if I never push up the volume then my brain doesn't lust for it either).


Besides the different listening habits/scenarios, then we have another important aspect to think about, different genres provide very different kinds of bass. As total opposite to HBB's hip-hop I will show a hardstyle example with a particularly well fitting beat that is like the polar-opposite of what hip-hop beats are like. Q40 in particular does extremely well with hardstyle kicks (you call the beats as "kicks" in hardstyle). It provides a very satisfying impact/hit, it's not so much about audible bass in hardstyle, it's more about the impact/punch. It's fast but hard-hitting, fast-decaying with lots of "texture" you can call it as there's mids/highs that are mixed INTO the beat itself and it's also "distorted" in various ways to give it an interesting sound. 


Here's an example:




Here's the kind of bass that I'm more into for example and Q40 hit so hard with this kind of bass. I'm just using this as an example that the fact that people can like different kinds of things in bass, for me it's the "impact", the slam or whatever that is satisfying, Q40 do that well in relative to the amount bass quantity it packs and also provides good overall sound quality when bass put aside.
The SZ is woeful for EDM, there's not enough low bass in most of the music to satisfy you. I listen to a lot of trance and most of that type of music is made using a synth so you need more mid bass impact and upper mids. Also very important is for the bass not to bleed into the mids for this music. All this the SZ does not do well at. Where the SZ does well in is the low bass impact, and as HBB says it is crazy bass. It actually makes my TH600 sound like treble head cans when I put it on straight after the SZ.
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The SZ is woeful for EDM, there's not enough low bass in most of the music to satisfy you. I listen to a lot of trance and most of that type of music is made using a synth so you need more mid bass impact and upper mids. Also very important is for the bass not to bleed into the mids for this music. All this the SZ does not do well at. Where the SZ does well in is the low bass impact, and as HBB says it is crazy bass. It actually makes my TH600 sound like treble head cans when I put it on straight after the SZ.

 

Yea that kind of bass doesn't work well for Hardstyle, like you said you need a balance of midbass and subbass, if subbass is more in the focus then the kicks in hardstyle will be clouded with bass and the punch becomes less focused (it's mostly midbass) and the impact can even suffer. Hardstyle is weird in that sense as with MORE bass you can actually get lesser impact, it depends how you boost it as the bass is very narrow-band it's loud at the frequency it hits but it's only a narrow range where it's loud and therefore it's not that much audible but has great impact (it's a bit like invisible bass that just hits you). If you apply a too wideband boost to this then you are in the trouble, Hardstyle in terms of headphone's bass curves works best if there's a hill-shaped bass curve like Q40 that peaks/centered around 80Hz (border between subbass and midbass roughly) that rolls off a bit down below 40Hz and in the upper-end between 150-200Hz or so, it needs to cover the entire range nicely and have roughly equally much mid as subbass and not only subbass range like many headphones do. Even the lower-midrange helps a bit in giving the beats more meat. The kicks contain two basic parts, punch (mostly midbass) followed by the tail part (mostly subbass) so they both need to work in unison to sound ideal.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/8/14 at 4:49am
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Lol you guys really have to realize that there are a few new people on this thread that you just CANNOT argue with.
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That's alright. Like I stated in my reply, we listen to headphones at completely different conditions. Conflicts between different types of people will always happen but as long as we shake hands after the disagreement it'll be fine.

 

I'm probably a hybrid type 1/type 2 basshead only half the time and you're a full-on hardcore type 3. (Am I correct though? Type 1 is audiophile bass-head, type 2 is typical boosted bass-head and type 3 is tons of bassboost-head, right? Do correct me if I'm wrong.) Like you said, apples to oranges. The Q40 is perfect for me while the SZ-2000 is perfect for you and we'll continue preaching the merits of these two headphones to people in this club. 

You are correct here, I'm typically a medium-volume user when on the go and a low-volume user when at home. What HBB has said about the bass impact has somewhat piqued my interest though.

 

 

This is Hip -Hop This is what I listen to.

Put your headphones on and turn em up and listen to me carefully when i say your cans do not hit as hard on any of these tracks.

 

People comer on here looking for the hardest hitting cans and nobody told them or me about these cans.  You can twist it anyway you like but I have never said anything besides I wanted the hardest hitting cans. The kind that makes your upper neck vibrate. Head? The Beats Pro, Yamaha 500 will do that but they don't hit as hard as the sz....or..I ...would ...buy...them

 

I boost 50Hz  +20dB<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Most cans cannot even take that assignment. 

The songs below are songs. Vocals and high hits and bass. I can hear it all and when these cans are amped a lot they all come together. I listen to them for that and they sound just fine.

 

They are for Hip-Hop to me and I have never told anyone otherwise not once.

I do not listen to basstronic crap. I listen to Hip Hop.

 

Humor me. Bookmark this post. Listen to these tracks (a variety of low mid and upper bass low freq hits. The sz play these made for the masses tracks louder and harder than anything I have heard. The pro 900 have great upper bass but they get lost below 45Hz rapidly to almost nothing a 25.

 

This isn't even opinion like bass textures and roll offs ...I'm talking about physical impact on your body with an undistorted hit being reproduced by a driver that isn't even stressing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a sample of my playlist. I listen loud and hard. I'm a basshead. If you know a set that will hit these hits harder than an sz then tell me so I can test them and then buy em'

Please.

 

Sorry for offending anyone.

 

@BucketInABucket

 

 

For kicks just boost the 50Hz +20dB which will start a curve around audible and diminish around 75-90hz

 

It's worth noting that these guys always seemed to know...in fact it may have been a goal to simulate a room with big speakers at high volume. The materials require it be boosted which is why the creators....are of course amping them. These are not low listening level cans. I don't think they ever were even intended to be

 

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The Real Sound System is a successful example of the application of speaker theory.

Miura“I have spent over 30 years as a speaker engineer, so for me, the sound that comes out of the speaker is something that I create. I had always wanted to create headphones that could reproduce the same audio quality that comes out of large floor model stereo speakers. Great audio from speakers requires consideration of the room in which they are enjoyed. In addition, it is generally not possible to turn up the volume of speakers in ordinary homes and enjoy their full potential. Headphones, on the other hand, let you listen to any music you like and as loud as you want, anywhere without concern about bothering others. For me, the headphones are the best way to listen to great audio. Our new headphones are inspired by my experience in building speakers based on the Kelton speaker design method and the Double Bass Reflex system. I believe there is still much speaker theory that can be exploited in the development of future headphones. Naturally we do not set out to do something new. Our objective is always the ‘pursuit of original audio quality’. I look forward to meeting more new challenges in the course of our quest to achieve this goal.”

http://cdn.jvc.eu/szfxz/sz/interview.html


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 4/8/14 at 5:50am
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You should seriously look into vibrating headphones man.

 

I'm not even kidding. I've always been a huge fan, they are hard to come by.

 

A dream of mine is to get some, and do a driver transplant - to keep the vibrating mechanism, and put in dampening, and decent drivers.

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