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I've been looking at headphones for the past few days weighing my options and the recommendations given to me and simply cannot come up with a final choice...so I need a bit more help. It has come down to:

- Q40s (top choice so far)

- DT770 Pro (80 ohm or 32 ohm, whichever is better, worried about these not having enough bass)

- DT990 Pro (not liking the apparent higher treble, that's about it on these though)

- MDR-X05 (solely based on my experience with the XB400s, they can pump out the bass...but there's little impact and it might be because of the driver size)

 

I'm also considering, but would like need more information on:

- HARM77X (seem the same as Q40s with less sensitivity but larger drivers which may smooth bass out more for harder impact)

- HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)

- Pro700mk2 (these are said to have more theater quality THX bass, rather than impact, which is discouraging)

 

Halp pls. My indecisive mind is getting the better of me.

 

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

post #10697 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by xskugga View Post
 

I've been looking at headphones for the past few days weighing my options and the recommendations given to me and simply cannot come up with a final choice...so I need a bit more help. It has come down to:

- Q40s (top choice so far)

- DT770 Pro (80 ohm or 32 ohm, whichever is better, worried about these not having enough bass)

- DT990 Pro (not liking the apparent higher treble, that's about it on these though)

- MDR-X05 (solely based on my experience with the XB400s, they can pump out the bass...but there's little impact and it might be because of the driver size)

 

I'm also considering, but would like need more information on:

- HARM77X (seem the same as Q40s with less sensitivity but larger drivers which may smooth bass out more for harder impact)

- HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)

- Pro700mk2 (these are said to have more theater quality THX bass, rather than impact, which is discouraging)

 

Halp pls. My indecisive mind is getting the better of me.

 

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

If you don't mind shelling out $59 more, get the Q40 + Alpha Pads. I must sound like a broken record by now, but it's an absolutely amazing combination.

post #10698 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by xskugga View Post
 

I've been looking at headphones for the past few days weighing my options and the recommendations given to me and simply cannot come up with a final choice...so I need a bit more help. It has come down to:

- Q40s (top choice so far)

- DT770 Pro (80 ohm or 32 ohm, whichever is better, worried about these not having enough bass)

- DT990 Pro (not liking the apparent higher treble, that's about it on these though)

- MDR-X05 (solely based on my experience with the XB400s, they can pump out the bass...but there's little impact and it might be because of the driver size)

 

I'm also considering, but would like need more information on:

- HARM77X (seem the same as Q40s with less sensitivity but larger drivers which may smooth bass out more for harder impact)

- HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)

- Pro700mk2 (these are said to have more theater quality THX bass, rather than impact, which is discouraging)

 

Halp pls. My indecisive mind is getting the better of me.

 

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

 

These are from 2 hours ago. I gave up hunting but she got a new mirror so i asked to stop at this place. Limited selection compared to other EDIONS

 

The sz of course kicked the **** out of everybody

 

The 400 would not take my amp or slope. POS ...priced as such

 

 

 

 

Me jacking in

 

The 3rd red ones down from left are the Pro700mk2

 

 

 

XB600

 

 

Those XB600 make the JVC 55 feel like sturdy headphones...they were not anywhere near the 77's or the sz. 

 

To the OP

 

Nothing on that list is on the level of the 77's if you have an amp. I actually think an amp is just widening the gap. For overall sound the DT770 would be better but for a "V" curve with thunder bass nothing on your list dances with the 77's

 

Man there is a TON of BASS **** and I mean quality when I say ****. They just pre-tune a mud pusher and slap BASS on the box.

 

Pro700mk2 are not basshead cans. That's a good thing depending who you are but I tried them for the 5th time at least today and they are well made relative to other similar priced cans and do have a nice sound but the bass is not impactful and it will not go to there.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Quote:
 - HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)

 

You ever heard the Akai. I didn't think so. 

That Akai with 2 diaphram holes open hits harder than and sounds clearer than the Q40. 40mm v.s. 50mm

I was saying since Feb 20th (ish) that the Akai were the HDH50. Now 5 weeks later that is becoming clear to folks. Let me explain that I don't type for the joy of it. 

 

1. M-Audio is going to open those 2 holes and it will make everybody happy because it slams and sounds crystal clear. Beautiful. Who with a singapore ip and closing their mail with "Cheers" could that have been telling me to mod that driver....hmmmm??

 

2. M-Audio releases the same configured driver as the Akai which is a studio can.  Wonder why a scheduled March 4th date or release (according to the rep in the vid)...wonder what's going on? ....Maybe the decision of what they are going to release is all about profit and which version will get them the most of that...profit. 

 

I never opened a can and my JVC do not reflect a benefit to diaphram porting. This guy sure knew what the **** he was talking about. These are bigger louder and deeper big brothers of you beloved Q40. Is this a mod or a preview of the M-Audio......That is the question.

 

These Akai sound better right now than everything on your list. 

I don't ask folks for opinions. I give em. Cuz I listen to eeeeeverything amped and boosted.


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 4/6/14 at 5:20am
post #10699 of 11259

For whoever was asking about the DUNU IEMs a few pages back - 

 

They are utterly amazing, and I'm going to probably get some. Very impressed.

 

The dynamic driver really drives down deep into the sub-bass regions. 

 

It's a little sparkly up top, but nothing compared to a lot of hybrids I've heard.

 

A great unit. 

post #10700 of 11259
My interest has been piqued on the Akai/M Audio Cans. Has anyone heard the HDH50? I'm interested I'm them. The problem is I can get the HDH50 here in the UK for £120 but I don't know where to get the Akai except Thomann which I'll have to pay shipping and taxes. Also Hawaii how do the Akai sound with and without your mod?
post #10701 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by xskugga View Post

I've been looking at headphones for the past few days weighing my options and the recommendations given to me and simply cannot come up with a final choice...so I need a bit more help. It has come down to:
- Q40s (top choice so far)
- DT770 Pro (80 ohm or 32 ohm, whichever is better, worried about these not having enough bass)
- DT990 Pro (not liking the apparent higher treble, that's about it on these though)
- MDR-X05 (solely based on my experience with the XB400s, they can pump out the bass...but there's little impact and it might be because of the driver size)

I'm also considering, but would like need more information on:
- HARM77X (seem the same as Q40s with less sensitivity but larger drivers which may smooth bass out more for harder impact)
- HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)
- Pro700mk2 (these are said to have more theater quality THX bass, rather than impact, which is discouraging)

Halp pls. My indecisive mind is getting the better of me.

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

My recommendations would be M-Audio Q40, or dt770. If you're going with the Beyers be sure to get the 80ohm (pro) version as it has the most bass.
post #10702 of 11259

I think I will be the guinea pig and get my hands on the HDH50 when I can, it's currently unavailable on thomann.de / amazon.co.uk which are my two preferred places to buy from due to their easy return policy. Might consider other places too depending on their policies n stuff but if I'd attempt to mod it ofc I won't be able to return it.

Will see first how it sounds without mod if I'd get them but surely would open to check if it's configured exactly like the AKAI or if in fact the config inside is different. I certainly am familiar with Q40 and frankly I don't see how I'm going to find a headphone that better satisfies my needs as I've used them for at least 2½ years now and they still give me goosebumps / make me wanna dance like a crazy mofo when listening to hardstyle and for this genre at least it sounds like you want your monitors (KRK on the cheap) and Genelecs on the more expensier side to sound that are the two brands that producers tend to use in this genre. :) The tracks that are mastered well (which is those who tend to become hits) tends to sound also perfect on my Q40. I do master tracks myself too and people tend to love my masters so guess they really do work well.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/6/14 at 5:59am
post #10703 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

I think I will be the guinea pig and get my hands on the HDH50 when I can, it's currently unavailable on thomann.de / amazon.co.uk which are my two preferred places to buy from due to their easy return policy. Might consider other places too depending on their policies n stuff but if I'd attempt to mod it ofc I won't be able to return it.

Will see first how it sounds without mod if I'd get them but surely would open to check if it's configured exactly like the AKAI or if in fact the config inside is different. I certainly am familiar with Q40 and frankly I don't see how I'm going to find a headphone that better satisfies my needs as I've used them for at least 2½ years now and they still give me goosebumps / make me wanna dance like a crazy mofo when listening to hardstyle and for this genre at least it sounds like you want your monitors (KRK on the cheap) and Genelecs on the more expensier side to sound that are the two brands that producers tend to use in this genre. :) The tracks that are mastered well (which is those who tend to become hits) tends to sound also perfect on my Q40. I do master tracks myself too and people tend to love my masters so guess they really do work well.

 

I was excited to get these and then. ....radio silence.

 

Well crafted ( better than $1,000 Ultrasone) No plastic. All aluminum. Deep soft pads (Headband and Earpads), each adjustable pivot point met with soft clicks that hold. 

 

And a driver that would not respond in almost anyway to my low boost.

It is an amazing driver in that it ignored all my instructions. Everything. The amount of amp and boost was completely ignored. I dunno how that is done? The video shows the rep saying the response curve is like a dead persons flatline. He said that. He was not joking

 

I make a comment in another thread that this is a studio can ( I was polite and am happy...I had a full no questions asked warranty if I filled out an "anket" a detailed questionnaire  which is questions asked but that has no bearing on the refund. I never considered returning them because of the craftsmanship and maybe....someday I will want a studio can??

 

An hour later I get an email detailing exactly how to (?????)  from (?????)...:confused:

I know where Akai is HQ'd and an ip check seemed to match along with British English. If I borked my cans I woulda immediately gotten that refund and a note of why I opened my cans.

 

Either the M-Audio is going to release this configuration or this is how it will have to be done? Bookmark this post. When you open the cup (or anyone does) you'll be met with this"

 

 

OR

 

 

 

The grill will look like this:

 

And the pads will come off like this:

 

 

 

 

These things sound amazing now. I use an extreme low end boost and these are thumping tight bass. My eq is flat from 120+hz and these sound like studio cans with a deep resonating low end.

They are beautiful sounding so now....a month after I got them i can finally talk about them. I was silent for weeks because I had nothing to say.

 

Now? These are really really impressive cans. 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 4/6/14 at 6:25am
post #10704 of 11259

I still cannot believe AKAI contacted you, it seems like they are really caring about their customers if so. :P These things usually never happens that a manufacturer would deliberately help you to MOD the headphone to better fit your needs. Like how did they know you, did you contact them first?

Also it's pretty amusing that we mod a beautifully flat response that is THE GOAL for most manufacturers and spend tons of R&D into finding it and here even the manufacturer comes and courage you to "disbalance" it, how cool isn't that!! ^_^

 

post #10705 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by razor5cl View Post

My interest has been piqued on the Akai/M Audio Cans. Has anyone heard the HDH50? I'm interested I'm them. The problem is I can get the HDH50 here in the UK for £120 but I don't know where to get the Akai except Thomann which I'll have to pay shipping and taxes. Also Hawaii how do the Akai sound with and without your mod?

 

 

Before the mod it sounded like you were in a room with people playing instruments. Nothing was enhanced.

If listening to an accurate reflection of the sounds in the original tones with nothing emphasized is your thing (DJ/Mixing) then these did that.

I didn't want that. I'm not a critical listener with layers of sound to place over one another before mixboarding it up and down.

post #10706 of 11259
Right. That rules out the Akai then. I might spring for the HDH50 soon and then see how they are. If they're same as the Akai I can always return them or do a mod. Or even keep them.
post #10707 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

I still cannot believe AKAI contacted you, it seems like they are really caring about their customers if so. :P These things usually never happens that a manufacturer would deliberately help you to MOD the headphone to better fit your needs. Like how did they know you, did you contact them first?

Also it's pretty amusing that we mod a beautifully flat response that is THE GOAL for most manufacturers and spend tons of R&D into finding it and here even the manufacturer comes and courage you to "disbalance" it, how cool isn't that!! ^_^

 

 

 

I make no claims about anyone from anywhere doing anything.

 

I went to sleep last night with dreams of being a tester and getting free cans to evaluate but that makes no sense. I have no right to do that. I calmed down and got a grip.

If you Google the Akai  "AKAI AP-HPH-002" it comes to a Head-fi thread. #1. It has no comments and there is no review/evaluation.

 

I'm just saying a person with interest in something advised me to do something I never ever woulda done by myself. And it worked like a charm.:blink: on a driver that was doing nothing in a way I never experienced. That driver would not budge with huge energy filled boosts. It did nothing so I left them sitting on a rack for a day that might come when I'd wake up and say "Hey...i wanna be a studio mixer"<<<<That would never happen.

 

I kept them for the rarity, the build quality and because I was one of the first 200 folks on the planet to own them. Turns out....they are very very impressive.

 

Of all this the thing that gets me more than the mail is that a driver can be tuned to resist/refuse enormous amounts of low end energy and react in no audible way. No audible way that I could disern. Full gain and +20 dB at 45Hz and this driver (before venting) did absolutely nada........amazing for a guy who has never seen that in car or headphone audio.

post #10708 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by xskugga View Post

I've been looking at headphones for the past few days weighing my options and the recommendations given to me and simply cannot come up with a final choice...so I need a bit more help. It has come down to:
- Q40s (top choice so far)
- DT770 Pro (80 ohm or 32 ohm, whichever is better, worried about these not having enough bass)
- DT990 Pro (not liking the apparent higher treble, that's about it on these though)
- MDR-X05 (solely based on my experience with the XB400s, they can pump out the bass...but there's little impact and it might be because of the driver size)

I'm also considering, but would like need more information on:
- HARM77X (seem the same as Q40s with less sensitivity but larger drivers which may smooth bass out more for harder impact)
- HDH50 (interest sparked from Q40s, although the similarities to Akai headphones are discouraging)
- Pro700mk2 (these are said to have more theater quality THX bass, rather than impact, which is discouraging)

Halp pls. My indecisive mind is getting the better of me.

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

These are from 2 hours ago. I gave up hunting but she got a new mirror so i asked to stop at this place. Limited selection compared to other EDIONS

The sz of course kicked the **** out of everybody



The 400 would not take my amp or slope. POS ...priced as such








Me jacking in



The 3rd red ones down from left are the Pro700mk2





XB600




Those XB600 make the JVC 55 feel like sturdy headphones...they were not anywhere near the 77's or the sz. 

To the OP

Nothing on that list is on the level of the 77's if you have an amp. I actually think an amp is just widening the gap. For overall sound the DT770 would be better but for a "V" curve with thunder bass nothing on your list dances with the 77's

Man there is a TON of BASS **** and I mean quality when I say ****. They just pre-tune a mud pusher and slap BASS on the box.

Pro700mk2 are not basshead cans. That's a good thing depending who you are but I tried them for the 5th time at least today and they are well made relative to other similar priced cans and do have a nice sound but the bass is not impactful and it will not go to there.


EDIT:


You ever heard the Akai. I didn't think so. 
That Akai with 2 diaphram holes open hits harder than and sounds clearer than the Q40. 40mm v.s. 50mm
I was saying since Feb 20th (ish) that the Akai were the HDH50. Now 5 weeks later that is becoming clear to folks. Let me explain that I don't type for the joy of it. 

1. M-Audio is going to open those 2 holes and it will make everybody happy because it slams and sounds crystal clear. Beautiful. Who with a singapore ip and closing their mail with "Cheers" could that have been telling me to mod that driver....hmmmm??

2. M-Audio releases the same configured driver as the Akai which is a studio can.  Wonder why a scheduled March 4th date or release (according to the rep in the vid)...wonder what's going on? ....Maybe the decision of what they are going to release is all about profit and which version will get them the most of that...profit. 

I never opened a can and my JVC do not reflect a benefit to diaphram porting. This guy sure knew what the **** he was talking about. These are bigger louder and deeper big brothers of you beloved Q40. Is this a mod or a preview of the M-Audio......That is the question.

These Akai sound better right now than everything on your list. 
I don't ask folks for opinions. I give em. Cuz I listen to eeeeeverything amped and boosted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post

I was excited to get these and then. ....radio silence.

Well crafted ( better than $1,000 Ultrasone) No plastic. All aluminum. Deep soft pads (Headband and Earpads), each adjustable pivot point met with soft clicks that hold. 

And a driver that would not respond in almost anyway to my low boost.
It is an amazing driver in that it ignored all my instructions. Everything. The amount of amp and boost was completely ignored. I dunno how that is done? The video shows the rep saying the response curve is like a dead persons flatline. He said that. He was not joking

I make a comment in another thread that this is a studio can ( I was polite and am happy...I had a full no questions asked warranty if I filled out an "anket" a detailed questionnaire  which is questions asked but that has no bearing on the refund. I never considered returning them because of the craftsmanship and maybe....someday I will want a studio can??

An hour later I get an email detailing exactly how to (?????)  from (?????)...confused.gif
I know where Akai is HQ'd and an ip check seemed to match along with British English. If I borked my cans I woulda immediately gotten that refund and a note of why I opened my cans.

Either the M-Audio is going to release this configuration or this is how it will have to be done? Bookmark this post. When you open the cup (or anyone does) you'll be met with this"




OR





The grill will look like this:



And the pads will come off like this:






These things sound amazing now. I use an extreme low end boost and these are thumping tight bass. My eq is flat from 120+hz and these sound like studio cans with a deep resonating low end.
They are beautiful sounding so now....a month after I got them i can finally talk about them. I was silent for weeks because I had nothing to say.

Now? These are really really impressive cans. 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post


Before the mod it sounded like you were in a room with people playing instruments. Nothing was enhanced.
If listening to an accurate reflection of the sounds in the original tones with nothing emphasized is your thing (DJ/Mixing) then these did that.
I didn't want that. I'm not a critical listener with layers of sound to place over one another before mixboarding it up and down.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post


I make no claims about anyone from anywhere doing anything.

I went to sleep last night with dreams of being a tester and getting free cans to evaluate but that makes no sense. I have no right to do that. I calmed down and got a grip.
If you Google the Akai  "AKAI AP-HPH-002" it comes to a Head-fi thread. #1. It has no comments and there is no review/evaluation.

I'm just saying a person with interest in something advised me to do something I never ever woulda done by myself. And it worked like a charm.blink.gif  on a driver that was doing nothing in a way I never experienced. That driver would not budge with huge energy filled boosts. It did nothing so I left them sitting on a rack for a day that might come when I'd wake up and say "Hey...i wanna be a studio mixer"<<<<That would never happen.

I kept them for the rarity, the build quality and because I was one of the first 200 folks on the planet to own them. Turns out....they are very very impressive.

Of all this the thing that gets me more than the mail is that a driver can be tuned to resist/refuse enormous amounts of low end energy and react in no audible way. No audible way that I could disern. Full gain and +20 dB at 45Hz and this driver (before venting) did absolutely nada........amazing for a guy who has never seen that in car or headphone audio.
o.o what??... That's crazy. Nothing could move them, but cut open two holes and now they are thumping like drunk birds on a window... Wow. And I suggest what Hawaii originally suggested. Go with the 77's. And you should email the mysterious person back asking who they are. And have you tried covering up some of the holes in the driver? If you could try to find a combination that increases sq and tightens bass as much as possible and leaves some thump, that would be ideal... On a negative note, my Nokia Lumia 925's audio jack isn't working... Does anyone know of a Bluetooth transmitter that directly hooks into an amp with no wires? Just a solid Bluetooth transmitter that has a 3.5mm audio jack on it... That exists, right?? :/
post #10709 of 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by xskugga View Post
 

My goal is deep, impactful bass that can satisfy most bassheads, quantity is important but I've got an amp and EQ to bring more out if necessary. Thanks in advanced for any and all help.

if you have an amp, and you know how to eq, the dt 770s would be a brilliant choice. out of the box their not nearly as bassy as people make them out to be, and hardly as bassy as most bassheads require, but they are very bass capable, and with an eq you can turn them into rumbling monsters. also, since you say you already have an amp (which amp do you have btw?), i wouldnt even bother with the different impedance versions, and just get whichever you can find cheapest (maybe not the 600 ohm though, that may require some more serious amplification).

i still remember testing their sub bass abilities - they almost vibrated off my head :beyersmile: 

 

dt 770 and q40 talk has become the regular conversation around here hu...

post #10710 of 11259
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post






 And have you tried covering up some of the holes in the driver? If you could try to find a combination that increases sq and tightens bass as much as possible and leaves some thump, that would be ideal..

 

 I just covered 1 hole leaving 1 open. Bass is audibly similar but no pounding of cups or vibration on pads. Sounds like Onkyo hf300 or AKG 545. Good bass but just short of impact. 

2 holes is apparently ideal though as many as 3 were suggested. The vibration was most likely due to 50Hz and below performance. I will go back to 2 holes since that has quite a lot of impact but not enough to interrupt the early mids.

 

I will open them up one last time for a return to 2 holes. tomorrow....

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