** Confessions of a Failing Audiophile ** - I hated the LCD2 - Page 39  

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Originally Posted by jax 

Does anyone here actually listen to music?

Yes, I. Since I've wrapped my high-end electrostatic system in clothes and migrated to unambitious computer audio.

I will admit that lately I've been lost in numbers. I haven't had much time to just sit and enjoy lately (work has been kicking my ass. Shooting for a promotion).

So for the first time in ages today I get time to myself to just sit and listen...and I'm just happy. I'd forgotten how nice it was. Whether it's my HD 598 or my LCD 2s...The music is still wonderful. 

I've made up my mind to continue into higher and higher end gear, but I've come to remember the music is still the most important part. 
 

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Originally Posted by jax 

Does anyone here actually listen to music? 

 

What matters most to me iis how the music I love sounds when passed through it to my ears.  That most certainly does not always correspond with either measurements, or with what anyone else thinks about it.  I used SET amps with high efficiency horns for many years - that combination is heavenly to my ears with most (not all) of the music I enjoy.  I'm told it measures like a Yugo.  Who the %#$k cares if it sounds great to you?  Are you guys looking for proof that you're right via measurements...that you bought the right thing that is beyond scientific reproach?   This kind of conversation just baffles me. When you listen to music are you thinking about square waves and picking apart every flaw?  For me it's all about the music - this is emotional and entirely subjective (hence the tremendous variety of music, as well as the variety of devices to reproduce it in ones home).  The best scenario for me is that I completely forget the vehicle that's delivering it.  This happens far more regularly for me with speakers than with headphones.  Square waves and response curves have jack squat to do with my enjoyment of music - in fact thinking about them, or anything else for that matter, just gets in the way of my enjoyment.  If I were in the business of designing components then It would certainly mean the world to me - but as a listener, all I care about is how it sounds and how my experience of the music becomes. 

 

So when some dude with great measurement tools comes out with the set of 27 colorful graphs and curves with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on the back of each one explaining how the latest and greatest has a fly in the ointment, does that indicate to you that it's time to drop like it's hot on the for sale forum and reach out for the next promising candidate?  Do you guys all frame your response graphs and hang them on your wall.   Does anyone let their own ears be their judge, or do you need Jude or Skylab or Tyll or Michael Fremmer to hold your hand and walk you to the short urinal so you can tinkle in the big boys room?  No offense at all to any of those mentioned, who all offer a great service in their reviewing efforts...but for gods sake, make up your own minds.  That is about the one single thing I respect about the OP's premise here.  Beyond that he's lost me. 

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Originally Posted by jax 

I used SET amps with high efficiency horns for many years - that combination is heavenly to my ears with most (not all) of the music I enjoy.  I'm told it measures like a Yugo.

There is luscious magic in a flea tube amp and high efficiency speakers.

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Originally Posted by jax 

Does anyone here actually listen to music? 

 

*Puts up hand*

Looks like this i the new LCD2 thread.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

Really? Sorry, I'm an engineer and I want to see the measurements. FWIW...the 50Hz square wave is the output of the headphones to an input 50Hz square wave.....only 50Hz. EQ will do nothing as the input is again...only 50Hz.

Do not confuse a 50 hz square wave with a 50 hz sine wave.

The 50 Hz sine wave is nothing more than 50 hz.

Without getting into a page of mathematics: A 50 hz square wave is a 50 Hz sine wave plus an infinite number of odd order harmonics: 150, 250, 350, 450, 550, 650, 750, 850, 950, 1050, 1150, etc, etc, Hz sine waves.

So you can eq the higher order harmonics and alter the appearance of a square wave.

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Originally Posted by Chris J 

Do not confuse a 50 hz square wave with a 50 hz sine wave.

The 50 Hz sine wave is nothing more than 50 hz.

Without getting into a page of mathematics: A 50 hz square wave is a 50 Hz sine wave plus an infinite number of odd order harmonics: 150, 250, 350, 450, 550, 650, 750, 850, 950, 1050, 1150, etc, etc, Hz sine waves.

So you can eq the higher order harmonics and alter the appearance of a square wave.

 

Again...please show me.

A square wave is the fundamental, plus all odd order harmonics. Once the first (octave), third (second octave) and fifth (two octaves and a fifth) harmonics are present we pretty much have a square wave.  However to get the instantaneous, 90 degree edges we expect, all odd multiple harmonics need be present and the system must have infinite bandwidth.

A clarinet's sound, as a resonance tube, is closely related to a square wave.

Here is a simple graphical representation with basic math: square wave

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

Again...please show me.

 

 

At this point I think you're just messing with our heads.  LOL!

But if you aren't, imagine what happens if you EQ out (or low pass filter out) more and more of the higher order harmonics, then it will start looking more and more like a 50 Hz sine wave...........right?

From what I gather, mechanically, the square wave is a slew rate test, this is the only test available for slew rate.  From the mathematical theories which is difficult to comprehend for this grease monkey, a good square wave can only occur when all the mixture of sinewaves are reproduced at exact amplitudes from input - in other words, an output that does not alter the input signal (I don't even buy into the mathematical model - infinity, how ridiculous).  So it also is a test for neutrality...mathematically, there is no other way to look at it.

So the LCD2 at least passes this neutrality and speed test.  To the disbelief of Audeze critics, who underplay the only scientific slew test we have available.  Which sounds about right to me.

I have also concluded that SWBFcheater was and still is significantly displeased with the LCD2s.

Have I missed anything?

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Originally Posted by SP Wild 

From what I gather, mechanically, the square wave is a slew rate test, this is the only test available for slew rate

Probably not the only, but it is a good one.  :)

Square wave reproduction also reveals overshoot, ringing and other anomalies.

Even worse, infinities come in different sizes (cardinalities); some are bigger than others.

Anyway.........getting back to the original topic of this thread:

Has Mr. OP tried a a pair of Beyer DT880?

At 250 bucks, reasonably cheap.

Very comfortable.

Very neutral.

Get them with a 32 ohm impedance, just about anything can drive them, even a lowly iPod.

Something people seem to forget that are obsessed with hifi(guilty), is that the music is still at least equally as important as the audio equipment.

So, anyone know any good music? Can be jazzy, indie, heavy on the bottom like dubstep or drum&bass, maybe post-punk or even classic.

Good music is Good!