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The Norse Audio replacement cable actually costs a tiny bit less than $200. 

(The LCD1 was actually quite light, and would have been very convenient to wear if it had not had that gigantic cable on it.)

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I can no longer do this.  I might be alone in this view and I am definitely well within the realm of justification for feeling like I do because of it. I ask if there is something wrong with me or if this means I did fail my friends and the audiophile community in general.  I feel like I have.  I really hated it, I found more cons than pros in the LCD2.  I don't know what else to say lol :P  

 


LOL 

 

WOW-  Doesn't like the LCD and that equates to letting the whole "audiophile" community down.  Or is it letting the "drama society" down?

 

 

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[BigASS snip of a whole lot of this: deadhorse.gif]

 

 

 

 

 I don't know what else to say

 

 



I'm very glad to hear that last part. I can finally dry up my eyes and wash off the tracks of my tears that have stained my face in considering the unspeakable horror that has befallen you at the hands of the evil wrongdoers who manufacture orthos to less-than-desirable standards.  Keep your strength.  You'll make it through this.  Godspeed. 

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LOL 

 

WOW-  Doesn't like the LCD and that equates to letting the whole "audiophile" community down.  Or is it letting the "drama society" down?

 

 

 

I definitely let the drama society down, lol.  Does it bother me?  Nope, not one but but I did want to know if it was true or not.  I am happy to be one of very few who is willing to admit I bought a $900 piece of crap. It was definitely a good learning experience and a great final end to a 15 year career as a designer, collector of audio gear and journalist. Could really care less that I did let the drama society down, as you called it, but man do I feel bad about it being so alone in my views, so few way up here. 

 

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I'm very glad to hear that last part. I can finally dry up my eyes and wash off the tracks of my tears that have stained my face in considering the unspeakable horror that has befallen you at the hands of the evil wrongdoers who manufacture orthos to less-than-desirable standards.  Keep your strength.  You'll make it through this.  Godspeed. 


My goodness, I am so sorry you cried over me being one of the few people here that is unwilling to lie to himself about wearing a $900 piece of crap on his head.  I feel terrible :[  But thank you for your support.  Hang in there trooper, don't let anyone make you so sad! *salutes

 

 

 

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I have a problem now justifying such an expensive set of headphones.


No problem.  No reason for you to even consider justifying them to yourself.  If they are not for you, they are not for you.  Stop worrying about it.

 

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Audeze and HiFiMan know that you guys will buy anything that says Ortho on it even if it comes with a craptastic cable or earpads.  They know you guys will likely do the opposite of what normal people would do and jump at the chance to purchase a $200 + third party cable.  They know you will disregard a ton of flaws and bypass weight and bulk for the sake of pure clarity or sonic qualities.

 

Others value characteristics that you do not.  Others make different decisions than you.  There is no need to disparage their choices.  I believe most of us would compromise for "pure clarity" however.  Talk about the Holy Grail.  biggrin.gif

 

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I ask if there is something wrong with me or if this means I did fail my friends and the audiophile community in general.  I feel like I have.

 

You may not want to throw such softballs.  Someone may just answer this for you. tongue.gif

 

More seriously, being an audiophile is not about blindly liking the most expensive bit of kit available.  Rather, it is about the joy one can experience from music reproduction.  There are many audiophiles with carefully pieced modest systems that capture music brilliantly.

 

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No problem.  No reason for you to even consider justifying them to yourself.  If they are not for you, they are not for you.  Stop worrying about it.

 

 

Others value characteristics that you do not.  Others make different decisions than you.  There is no need to disparage their choices.  I believe most of us would compromise for "pure clarity" however.  Talk about the Holy Grail.  biggrin.gif

 

 

You may not want to throw such softballs.  Someone may just answer this for you. tongue.gif

 

More seriously, being an audiophile is not about blindly liking the most expensive bit of kit available.  Rather, it is about the joy one can experience from music reproduction.  There are many audiophiles with carefully pieced modest systems that capture music brilliantly.

 


 

Welcome to a month ago :)  I feel much more care free now.  

 

 I've yet to find anyone willing to tell me what these qualities were for them.  I don't ask in a sarcastic way, I literally ask because I have no idea what the hell they are. It has some mystery quality that eludes me to even this day. I get that it seems to mesh with some people, like I said my Edition 8 meshed with me more than anything despite it costing a few hundred short of double the price of the LCD2.  I justified it for a while, then I woke up.  I've made that clear that most would make the compromise for clarity.  Why make it though?  Slap them in the face and say something about it so the next model has better qualities.  You are taking it sitting down and I am happy to be the one who is standing up saying "Hell no, you'd da** well better give me a nicer cable and some detachable earpads for this price."

 

I could care less about what other audiophiles own or if there systems are brilliant, but man I am really happy for them and understand it now.  For a very long time I thought my happiness only resided in expensive overpriced setups, I was immensely wrong.

 

Stand up for yourselves already and don't be cowards.  Demand some nicer stuff and don't let yourself be stiffed so often.  It's not just Audeze, they've proven they are at least somewhat listening to people but are only designing their gear the way the do because you guys refuse to say anything to them.  Say nothing and you will get nothing.  In the nicest way possible, start taking the red pill and let Morpheus wake you up.  This overpriced nonsense has to stop.  Expensive headphones that come with some nasty flaws should never exist.

 

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Edited by swbf2cheater - 10/20/11 at 3:21pm
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I definitely let the drama society down, lol.  Does it bother me?  Nope, not one but but I did want to know if it was true or not.  I am happy to be one of very few who is willing to admit I bought a $900 piece of crap.

 



This is part of the overly dramatic approach of many of your posts.  The highlighted words above suggest that you make the assumption that because you think the LCD (insert any other headphone you do not think is well designed or represents value for money) is crap, that many other people do as well, "they just won't admit it".  Reality is, many have them and think they are the best value for money top tier headphone available.  That is what opinion, subjective judgment and perception of value, are all about.  You have said that you respect and accept other people's opinion/position, but many times your posts (example above) do not reflect that.  There are Headfiers that have heard/had the LCD and love it, and there are others that don't like its signature/weight/design features and have stated it, they just aren't preaching that it means a manufacturers conspiracy or headphone designers/companies are incompetent or that the end of the world is nigh.

 

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This is part of the overly dramatic approach of many of your posts.  The highlighted words above suggest that you make the assumption that because you think the LCD (insert any other headphone you do not think is well designed or represents value for money) is crap, that many other people do as well, "they just won't admit it".  Reality is, many have them and think they are the best value for money top tier headphone available.  That is what opinion, subjective judgment and perception of value, are all about.  You have said that you respect and accept other people's opinion/position, but many times your posts (example above) do not reflect that.  There are Headfiers that have heard/had the LCD and love it, and there are others that don't like its signature/weight/design features and have stated it, they just aren't preaching that it means a manufacturers conspiracy or headphone designers/companies are incompetent or that the end of the world is nigh.

 


Anyone can have a look at my profile and see the headphones I own and have owned in the past. The LCD-2s are the best to date. I have paid more for headphones (HD800s, T1s, HE-6s, Ed.8s) and still prefer the LCD-2s. Conversely, I've paid less for headphones that I've liked (see my profile) and NONE have come close in tonality, timbre, bass, mids, treble and just plain enjoyment. Compare how they measure, there is also no comparison...the LCD-2s are amongst the very best dynamic headphones out there (ortho or standard dynamic). The measured data doesn't lie no matter how hard you try to ignore it.

 

To make assertions that one's opinions are purely objective is pure folly.

 

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Orthos are the best.  That's all I have to say.  tongue_smile.gif

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Compare how they measure, there is also no comparison...the LCD-2s are amongst the very best dynamic headphones out there (ortho or standard dynamic). The measured data doesn't lie no matter how hard you try to ignore it.


You can't really use the measurement argument for the LCD-2 anymore, considering the ringing purrin found. They're still good otherwise, but besides its frequency response the HD800 is just as or more impressive in most cases. Worth $500 more? Probably not, but if you go purely by measurements I wouldn't say the LCD-2 is worth $600 more than the HD650.

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You can't really use the measurement argument for the LCD-2 anymore, considering the ringing purrin found. They're still good otherwise, but besides its frequency response the HD800 is just as or more impressive in most cases. Worth $500 more? Probably not, but if you go purely by measurements I wouldn't say the LCD-2 is worth $600 more than the HD650.



FR response..flatter than the HD800s and have a look at the 30Hz or 50Hz square wave response. Simply better on the LCD-2. No question.

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FR response..flatter than the HD800s and have a look at the 30Hz or 50Hz square wave response. Simply better on the LCD-2. No question.


Square wave response is very closely related to the frequency response. A little bit of EQ down in the HD800's lower treble, maybe a boost in the upper mid-range, and its square wave response will improve as well. And no ringing.

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Square wave response is very closely related to the frequency response. A little bit of EQ down in the HD800's lower treble, maybe a boost in the upper mid-range, and its square wave response will improve as well. And no ringing.



Really? Sorry, I'm an engineer and I want to see the measurements. FWIW...the 50Hz square wave is the output of the headphones to an input 50Hz square wave.....only 50Hz. EQ will do nothing as the input is again...only 50Hz.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 10/20/11 at 7:11pm
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The LCD-2 may not be the most ergonomically developed headphone (I'm not a fan of the ergonomic design too much)....

 

but it's no piece of crap.  there's not a single person i've come in contact with (from the most experience sound engineer to the Beats by Dre consumer) who I think would hear the LCD-2 in a proper setting and would think it was anything less than good.  Whether or not they thought it was worth the price, or better than their 200 dollar headphones, I don't know...but in terms of it being on the level of crap...

 

I'll put it this way.....sound quality is always subjective, but unless my ears are totally destroyed, there's not enough subjectivity in the world for any person short of having severe auditory problems to consider the sound that comes from my LCD-2 set-up to be crap.  

 

I am doubtful the OP really thought it was crap, as much as it wasn't worth the price to him compared to less expensive headphones which he preferred.  I feel that way about a lot of things in my collection.  We're lucky to have a used market!  :)

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You can't really use the measurement argument for the LCD-2 anymore, considering the ringing purrin found. They're still good otherwise, but besides its frequency response the HD800 is just as or more impressive in most cases. Worth $500 more? Probably not, but if you go purely by measurements I wouldn't say the LCD-2 is worth $600 more than the HD650.


I can't agree with this.  The HD800 was more impressive in one case, in one occasion, by one member, I don not dispute the findings, but of all people - yourself, should be aware of the problem with sample size.  Unfortunately a few batches of LCD2 driver failures have been recorded.

 

Tyll offers a more comprehensive scope of measurements tailored specifically to explain what we hear, a much more complete data set.  When we look at the data as a whole, we are more able to define what we hear as opposed to a single factor.  It is the more comprehensive data set by Tyll which suggests, and mirrors my experience, of how a headphone might sound IMO.

 

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