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post #61 of 95

Nothing I have heard personally in the 50-100 range sounds anything like the Beta. Hopefully some others will be able to chime in with something. My current favorites are the VSonic GR07 but they are alot for money that your looking to spend.

post #62 of 95
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

Nothing I have heard personally in the 50-100 range sounds anything like the Beta. Hopefully some others will be able to chime in with something. My current favorites are the VSonic GR07 but they are alot for money that your looking to spend.

hey can i noe the A n B a.k.a comparision with the beta's and ur Monster Turbine Professional Copper
 

 

post #63 of 95

Hmmm that is a good question. Unfortunately I no longer have the Copper's in my possession so will have to from memory.

 

I would say over technical ability is easily won by the Copper as is build quality and fit kit. In regards to sound the Copper had a much bigger and better bass response that went deeper and was just better. Having said that for some the bass would be to much in the Copper's in which case the Beta would be just fine. I actually prefer the mids of the Beta though as they are fuller than what I remember the Copper's being for the most part. Treble would again favour the Copper's. Sound stage on the other hand is bigger with the Beta in my opinion.

 

I actually have a hard time justifying the cost of the Copper's these days though where as I can easly recommend the Beta due to the sound quality versus the low cost. But that is just me and others will disagree regarding the Copper's value. If you can get the Copper's for below their reatil price by at least 25% then they start to be worth while. Otherwise I will take my GR07 over them easily. But that again is persoanl preference.

 

BUt don't misunderstand me, I do recognize the superiority of the Copper over the Beta.

post #64 of 95

The feedback on this thread has been quite interesting, again i am really happy to read that so many people are enjoying these but there seems to be a consensus that some parts of the build and accessories could be improved. I am working on getting the cabling changed on the next production, this will be purely an aesthetic upgrade, the cable will feel better and be a bit thicker. There will also be a carrying case to go with them, it will be the new case we have been working on, which will ultimately replace the standard round case that comes with most of our earphones. The two changes will not happen till the next production run, which is only scheduled for completion in November.

post #65 of 95

when is the pre-order of those?

post #66 of 95
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Originally Posted by razzer001 View Post

The feedback on this thread has been quite interesting, again i am really happy to read that so many people are enjoying these but there seems to be a consensus that some parts of the build and accessories could be improved. I am working on getting the cabling changed on the next production, this will be purely an aesthetic upgrade, the cable will feel better and be a bit thicker. There will also be a carrying case to go with them, it will be the new case we have been working on, which will ultimately replace the standard round case that comes with most of our earphones. The two changes will not happen till the next production run, which is only scheduled for completion in November.



Thanks for reading and posting. I'm sure the cable is perfectly fine in quality and carrying sound, it just doesn't feel very sturdy like some other budget cans. Please do not change the sound of these though! A carrying case I find is actually unnecessary though, I don't know anyone who uses them. Keep up the great job with the sound!

post #67 of 95

I say improve the cable a bit and upgrade the tips a bit, personally I don't care about the case but thats because I have few of them kicking around from various things I have bought. But I may not be like the people buying these from you who may like the idea of a carrying case.


Edited by dweaver - 10/10/11 at 10:44pm
post #68 of 95
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Originally Posted by Majin View Post

when is the pre-order of those?



There would not be one (at least none planned).



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Originally Posted by keanex View Post

Thanks for reading and posting. I'm sure the cable is perfectly fine in quality and carrying sound, it just doesn't feel very sturdy like some other budget cans. Please do not change the sound of these though! A carrying case I find is actually unnecessary though, I don't know anyone who uses them. Keep up the great job with the sound!


There is room for a better looking and feeling cabling, but again it would only look nicer, the internal composition of the cable would be the same, hence no sound change. The case is something i would like to add, although it may not be used much a lot of feedback we have got from end users and resellers is that they would have preferred some sort of case to be included, if only to store the additional tips.

 

Nothing is set in concrete, if i find the changes will push production back i would shelve the changes till next year as the new stock would need to arrive without delay for xmas.

 

post #69 of 95
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Originally Posted by keanex View Post

Thanks for reading and posting. I'm sure the cable is perfectly fine in quality and carrying sound, it just doesn't feel very sturdy like some other budget cans. Please do not change the sound of these though! A carrying case I find is actually unnecessary though, I don't know anyone who uses them. Keep up the great job with the sound!



I actually like the cases...  I use them to store my headphones when on the move.  This way, the cables have 0 chance of latching on to something and getting stressed, or even anything from the outside getting in to ruin the headphones.  Just me though.

post #70 of 95

The cable is a little iffy, but it's really just the feel - and oddly enough the smell, as the Beta's do exude a strange rubber smell. As for the case, I am not particularly fussed as a case at that price point wouldn't be particularly great anyway. If the price can be maintained with a case that would be great. However I do know that if you ever had another 14.50 sale for these I would immediately buy a large number of pairs for friends and backups, since they at that price they seem almost disposable. (Not that I would, but if they *did* break I wouldn't cry.)

 

 

post #71 of 95

My concern in 'upgrading' the cable is that that the beta v2 as it is doesn't transmit quite as much cable noise as some, and I would consider a thicker cable that transmits more rustle to your ears to be a downgrade.

 

I'm so in love with these earphones. I've been listening to a lot of symphonic classical music, and they handle it with such style. I'm on about 60+ hours now, with 10 or 20 more hours I'll write my thoughts more fully.

post #72 of 95
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Very good point, the microphonics are great currently!

post #73 of 95
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Originally Posted by lecky View Post

My concern in 'upgrading' the cable is that that the beta v2 as it is doesn't transmit quite as much cable noise as some, and I would consider a thicker cable that transmits more rustle to your ears to be a downgrade.

 

I'm so in love with these earphones. I've been listening to a lot of symphonic classical music, and they handle it with such style. I'm on about 60+ hours now, with 10 or 20 more hours I'll write my thoughts more fully.



I would be checking for that too, again aesthetic upgrade, if it affected the sound in anyway i would not do it.

post #74 of 95

In anycase i will post any updates on accessories or cable change here and on MP4 Nation.

post #75 of 95

 

 

OK, for my take on these…

 

I've had them for about a month, and stopped thinking about how many hours I'd logged after about a hundred. They've changed a lot during burn in, most obviously in the first twenty hours or so. I've used them on the go straight from an ipod, from the output of a macbook pro, and through a reasonable dac and amp (v-dac and the headphone out of a 90's Yamaha A-520 - better than you might imagine I expect). 

 

My main listening focus is on classical orchestral music, and jazz from Duke Ellington to Miles to Jimmy Giuffre, but I've listened to lots of soul, R&B and hip hop from 70's - 80's right through, bits of rock, pop and more… a very varied mix.

 

my reference classical recording is Valery Gegiev and the Kirov Orchestra's recording of The Rites of Spring - a good recording which has lots of the ambience of the hall, you can hear the most minute sounds of seats creaking in the audience, and valves moving on woodwind, it's like being there, it's a tough test.

 

I've been using the supplied Comply tips. Listening to a frequency sweep there's a bump at 7000 Hz with the standard tips which with burn in is absent with the Complys, the Complys also provide a little more sound isolation.

 

The principle weakness of the design is that they don't isolate particularly well.

 

I've no complaints about construction, mine show no indication that they might not be strong enough, the rubberised cable is thin, but the strain relief seems ok, and whilst they tangle easily, they also untangle easily, and importantly, they're not very microphonic.

 

They won't fit very deep in the ear, which might possibly make fitting more difficult for some, but it makes consistent fitting easier for me. I find them comfortable.

 

With Comply tips frequency sweeps sound remarkably flat, they go from the top of my hearing at 17,000 or so Hz, rolling off gently from about 40Hz down to 20Hz or so, and the way they roll off at the bottom makes me think that there's not too much in the way of sympathetic resonances making the bass sound more substantial than it is (if you hear bass much below 20Hz, it's not below 20Hz that you're hearing) - it's just good, clear, flat bass.

 

Listening to music there can occasionally be a little hardness in the treble, but not much and not frequently - much of this might be to do with harsh recordings being exposed (I know, it sounds silly to say so with a budget earphone like this, and I might be wrong, but that's how it seems). There can be some sibilance heard occasionally mainly using an ipod, and when it's there it's often not evident on the same tracks through a laptop or amp, and usually can be eliminated by reducing the volume - so it's not clear to me that an ipod serves these earphones very well from this point of view - they're not nearly as well controlled with an ipod as with an amp, although they're still fabulous for the price from an ipod.

 

These are not however a treble biased earphone, they come across as quite flat - towards neutral - and you can think with one track that they're all about mids or bass, and the next that they're treble oriented, such that it's obvious that they're not laying a heavy sound signature on the music. Instrument timbre sounds natural to me on good recordings.

 

These have a nice headstage when well fed, it's goes further out at the sides, to make a soundstage, and extends round to the front well on good recordings, and with some depth too, although they're sometimes a bit sparse in delivering the middle. A good orchestral recording gives a good sense of where the instruments are, how they're laid out, placement isn't artificially pin sharp (as I remember my K340s where), but is good, you're sat mid hall, with a lively involving sense of ambience - they have no right at all to deliver this kind of quality at the price. From an ipod, the headstage is neither notable, nor especially realistic, but not not unpleasant either, it'll do on the move.

 

For the price I feel like I ought to conclude that they lack in detail, but it's not evident to me - compared to a reasonably well amped HD580 detail is more apparent in the Betas, they put you closer to the music (without being thrust too close) and the individual character of each recording is more apparent, they don't flatter recordings like the 580s do. RE-0s make treble detail apparent by giving what sounds by comparison to be a coloured sound, lacking in low end, even when well fitted. With the Betas I really don't get a sense that I'm missing anything over the RE-0s - whilst the treble detail isn't highlighted, that's because it sits more naturally with other frequencies, in fact I get the sense that lower mid and bass detail is missing in the RE-0 where it's available on the Betas. The detail in the Betas is there, it's just not being forced on you. They don't get hopelessly congested when things get complicated either - a symphonic orchestra at full tilt doesn't do too much harm, a little loss of transparency, but the elements can still be placed. In every way I'd rather listen to these than my RE-0s, which is a bit sad considering what I payed for my RE-0s. In fact I'd rather listen to these than my HD580s, which aren't as exciting to listen to, although they have air and depth of soundstage over the Betas. 

 

Bass is good, deep, quite textured, the rumble of timpani is nice, no semblance of bleed, a little slam to boot, but not more than flat - bass heads may prefer another earphone, perhaps M2s which have a stronger and more visceral bass and can deliver something closer to the dizzying aural saturation of a club (I'm sure there are various other contenders), but M2s aren't neutral or natural sounding. I can enjoy bass oriented hip hop or R&B just fine on the Betas, but I understand how the bass bug works…

 

It may well be that better equipment than mine, or different equipment, would show more flaws in these earphones than I'm hearing with my equipment (or perhaps would make them sound better)… My ipod tells me that if you match them wrong they're just very good for the money.

 

I'm a bit embarrassed to like these as much as I do given how cheap they are, but I love them. I listen to them a lot and will likely continue so to do. I consider them to be more grown up mid-fi than you could reasonably expect for the price. You'll find better headphones/earphones, but you'll pay very well for them… Given how difficult it is to find a cheap earphone that just does the basics of neutral well, if that's what you want, these are no-brainer.

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