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post #421 of 1186
Cables are just one example of the absurdity of the costs in High End Audio. Have you glanced at Stereophiles Recommended Components lately? $200k turntables, $15k phono cartridges, $60k phono preamps, etc, etc.
There is no way these costs can be justified on the basis of performance, although the golden ear reviewers would have you believe so.
At least in world class supercars their costs can be justified or demythed with repeatable measurements.
Much of high end audio is pure snake oil!
post #422 of 1186
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Originally Posted by x838nwy View Post

You'll be pleased to know there already is a range of audiophile cable called aluminata. I hear it's awesome.

It sounds lighter without a lot of heaviness and weight to the sound I bet.
Edited by bigshot - 4/17/14 at 9:45am
post #423 of 1186
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

I already posted a link to Roger Russell's wire guide.

I posted it too, but he hasn't bothered to look at it.

What's the point of helping someone figure something out when they don't make any effort themselves to do their homework?
post #424 of 1186

Sal1950, I agree that the prices at the very top end have gone wild.

 

But why get so angry about that when there has never been a wider range of low cost great vfm components around. Just look all the well reviewed DACs that cost a couple of hundred bucks or less.  And there's every price range in between.

 

It's as if you just want to get angry about something - but when you look at the total picture, consumers have never had it so good in the hifi world.

 

Take one cable company I'm quite familar with: Transparent Audio. Their Opus balanced i/c "starts" at $20k.This is so beyond my budget that there's no point in me even thinking about what value this could possibly bring me. But I don't fret about it. TA's entry level i/c costs $90, which is still too rich for many, but no longer seems quite so ridiculous if the rest of your system costs thousands. And if you don't want to spend $90, there's Blue Jeans and all sorts of well made cables for less.


Edited by TheAttorney - 4/17/14 at 10:07am
post #425 of 1186
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Sal1950, I agree that the prices at the very top end have gone wild.

At monoprice, you can get the exact same sound for two bucks. Spending anything over that on cables hoping for better sound is dumb.

Imagine buying a pair of $100 shoes and putting $75 shoelaces on them. "With these shoelaces you can walk faster and walk farther!" $20 shoelaces aren't any smarter when you consider you can get laces at the market for a dollar.
Edited by bigshot - 4/17/14 at 10:36am
post #426 of 1186
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post


It sounds lighter without a lot of heaviness and weight to the sound I bet.


Depends

I soldered together a bunch of aluminum cans of Pabst and the cable sounded great for top 40 - light, airy, almost like nothing was there.

I did the same with a bunch of cans of Boddingtons and it was great for dark music and metal.  You could almost smell the stale beer at the old venue where the live CD was recorded...

 

Might have had something to do with all the beer I drank prepping the cans for their transformation to wire.

 

 

Ok - sorry for the absurdity but really, is that any more ridiculous than some of what's being put out as "serious" discussion?

post #427 of 1186
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post


At monoprice, you can get the exact same sound for two bucks. Spending anything over that on cables hoping for better sound is dumb.

Imagine buying a pair of $100 shoes and putting $75 shoelaces on them. $20 shoelaces aren't any smarter when you consider you can get laces at the market for a dollar.

 

I agree, though frankly would have no issue with someone buying $75 laces if they preferred them.  Just don't claim they increase your vertical and make you a better jump-shooter.

 

It's the same reason I bought an aftermarket cable for my LCD3s.  I needed a longer cable than the stock Audeze cable and wanted a lighter and more flexible cable than the stock with the softest sleeve I could find.  After reading through various threads on Head-Fi, it looked like Q-Audio had what I was looking for.  Going to their site and NOT seeing a bunch of unsupported claims about cable sound only made me more confident that the cable would be well built.  Just the facts about the cable construction and notes on ergonomics.  Since I didn't feel like I needed a shower after visiting the site, I bought the cable.

 

Was really pleased with the ergonomics when it arrived.  Since my expectation bias was that the Q-Cable would sound the same as the stock, I got what I expected.;)

post #428 of 1186
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Originally Posted by herbie12389 View Post
 

Dude I can read... What great secret is out there with the Internet now a days... I didn't join this solely to discuss the science of how things work... you'll know when something catches my eye as being break through. Then I'll flex my mental nut for you, until then I'll go by the volume of different gear that I'm exposed to ... seeing as how new I am to this site for you all, my comments will seem alarming to some but rest assured I'm only hear to share opinions on how things sound.  We are talking about music after all when it all boils down to it. Right? Sound. Id say ears are more important than eyes when it comes to music... CAN I GET A RAY CHARLES UP IN HERE. lol 

 

 

Ears more important than eyes?????  Most people like you seem much more influenced by what they see while claiming it is all about what they hear.  They have to see the fancy stuff, read the fancy claims from the guys making the Big Boy toys, post pictures of the highly expensive equipment they use.  Then suddenly, and not at all surprisingly, what they have seen helps them hear (or so they say) much more.  And it all seems to just vanish when those guys don't get to use their eyes.  Your quite the comic without realizing it. 


Edited by esldude - 4/17/14 at 10:54am
post #429 of 1186
One small note... The photos of the "big boy toys" weren't of equipment he personally uses. They were pictures he pulled off the web.
post #430 of 1186
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post


At monoprice, you can get the exact same sound for two bucks. Spending anything over that on cables hoping for better sound is dumb.

Imagine buying a pair of $100 shoes and putting $75 shoelaces on them. "With these shoelaces you can walk faster and walk farther!" $20 shoelaces aren't any smarter when you consider you can get laces at the market for a dollar.

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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:37pm
post #431 of 1186
Someone's off his meds again
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One small note... The photos of the "big boy toys" weren't of equipment he personally uses. They were pictures he pulled off the web.

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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:37pm
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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:37pm
post #434 of 1186
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One small note... The photos of the "big boy toys" weren't of equipment he personally uses. They were pictures he pulled off the web.


Yes, I knew that.  But he seemed to think they were examples that validated his opinions.  Examples of his working in the most expensive area and hearing the most expensive equipment. 

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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 8:42pm
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