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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:38pm
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Just a friendly warning... You are heading down the wrong road. If you don't know anything about how the science of cables works, you'd do better to listen around here rather than talk. You might learn something useful. It seems to me that you are absolutely right about having a lot more to learn.

As I said before, check out the link.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths

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Do I dare bring it up?

Not unless you're prepared to back it up with scientific theory and citations of double blind listening tests.

Now you're going to tell me that we can hear things with our ears that can't be measured and that double blind tests aren't a good way to determine sound quality. Then you're going to launch into purely subjective impressions describing imaginary sounds in colorful ways and I'm going to tell you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about and then you are going to get mad and say that the people in Sound Science are horribly rude.

I've been down the rabbit hole before. You're heading for an emotional outburst, and I'm just trying to do you a favor and let you know that if you have no intention of learning from the people around you in this group, there's no reason to post here.

By the way, have you checked out the link yet? It will give you a good idea of what we expect around here...
http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths
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There is a forum for discussing music, and there is a forum for discussing objective "impressions" about cables. This happens to be the forum about science. We are the ones who get to say that if you "don't want to exercise your mental nut" that you are just flat out wrong and don't have anything to back up what you say.

I'm not in the least bit emotional when I say that when it comes to a lot of things in home audio, you haven't done the research required to express an informed opinion yet. Now you can feel free to ramp up your anger again and share some more colorful coloquialisms with us.

important link for you
http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths
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You're just trolling. Good night.

Oh, and that link again...
http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths
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I think most would say babble quite a bit. But I feel herbie12389 here has taken things to new heights.

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Copper is typically a warmer heavy or weighted sound. It can often be muddled at times lacking detail. What if my system sounded bright and over analytical to my music causing stress or fatigue while listening, maybe even perhaps a but thin sounding? Copper is a great way warm a system up, give the music a bit more body and smooth things out. Silver on the other hand seems to be a bit more active, can carry extreme amounts of detail and clarity. This is great for a system experiencing the opposite problems (VAGUE I KNOW, so feel free to jump in and comment). What it all boils down to is the process it takes on how that wire is drawn. Some companies do it better than others and the price usually does reflect in audiophile dollars but on the other hand, other companies offer a extreme value for what it can do to musically enhance your system.  Its fun to find out what each do to your system and between each parts. Odds are you'll find yourself using a good mix and match when you give your ears some homework. 

The truly entertaining thing about this claim? There is a bigger difference in electrical resistance (by a factor of 5 or so) between two copper wires differing by 1AWG (for example 16AWG vs 15AWG) than there is between an identical gauge copper and silver wire. Inductance and capacitance depend more on the geometry and insulating materials than they do on the conductor. Despite all this, you don't hear people going on about how replacing all the 14AWG wire in their speaker setup with 12AWG suddenly made it "bright" and "analytical". On the other hand, for no conceivable reason, the "warm" colored metal sounds "warm", and the "bright" colored metal sounds "bright". That fact alone should make you stop and wonder if there could be something psychological going on, rather than a real effect. Similarly, if you have a pair of headphones with a 5 foot copper cable, you'll get a similar change in resistance if you either 1) replace it with a silver cable of identical dimensions or 2) replace it with a copper cable 4'9" long. Despite this, you don't see people rushing out to chop 3 inches off of their cables to increase the detail they can hear. The type of solder used (as long as you have a good electrical and physical connection between the cable and plugs), and all kinds of fancy cable geometries are similarly irrelevant.

 

(and yes, I'll freely admit that I'm ignoring things like skin effect, reflections, and characteristic impedance. Why? Because they are completely and totally irrelevant at anything remotely near audio frequencies. If you're running a hundred meters of 10AWG wire to your high-power tweeters on the other side of a gymnasium, you might start to care about skin effect, but in normal home audio applications, all you really need to care about is the cable resistance.


Edited by cjl - 4/17/14 at 6:35am
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Back on topic...

 

Copper or silver baby...

 

Audionote

Xlo

Cardas 

Snake River

Supra

Dana Cables

NBS

 

Check em out gang

 

Enough already - this is the Sound Science forum.  Either contribute something that fits this forum or move your unicorn and fairy dust discussions to somewhere they belong.

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It is my personal belief that the difference between silver and copper result is due to the fact that as comparisons are normally done between similarly priced cables, the silver cable in the comparison is usually smaller in section/awg. And yes, i remain of the Moulder camp on this one still.

And my unicorn told me the source selector arrived today at my forwarder. I should have it next week to play with.
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