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Anything you can do to remove the layers of artificiality that is part of recorded sound.

I can understand that you might feel like that, being a largely classical listener (If I'm not mistaken), but as a popular music fan, I really regard the production as an integral part of the artwork. Modern music puts an acoustic guitar in a mix with drums, bass, electric guitar, maybe an orchestra, and vocals. These diverse parts generate disparate volumes, to consider only one feature, but modern techniques and repeated exposure mean that most listeners do not even remark this fact. All this taking place in an imaginary sound space, with no effort being given over to creating what is described as a soundstage, or 3D illusion, but rather with instruments, generally close-miked, distributed across 1 dimension, left-to-right.

Just one way in which modern music has a total disconnect from reality is the multi-tracking of vocal parts, enabling artists to sing their own harmony. No possibility there of the 'soundstage' being anything other than artificial.

So the majority of what I listen to, I listen to without the anticipation of any illusion of depth.

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Yeah, with pop music there is no fixed sound stage. It's synthetic and it changes all the time.

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This is fairly interesting:

 

The TQ Effect

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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by x838nwy View Post
 

This is fairly interesting:

 

The TQ Effect

I'm calling BS on everything in that PDF. All of their graphs look worse to me than any reasonable cable should measure - 10 feet of 14AWG wire in a twisted pair should have a capacitance around 300pF, and a resistance of about 25mOhm, which gives a time constant of about 10 picoseconds. That's flatter than every single cable in that PDF (and it would look exactly like their reference signal on the first graph, and be flat on the second within the resolution visible on those pictures). I use cheap, fairly narrow gauge wire at work all the time to measure signals in the tens of megahertz (and higher, though you do start having to be careful when you get to really high frequencies), with no significant attenuation. No reasonable cable, cheap or otherwise, should show the kind of abysmal rise time and frequency response of any of the cables shown in that PDF (including their "ultra black" cable). Any cable with a reasonably low impedance at all audio frequencies makes no difference at all to the sound, and attaining a low impedance at all audio frequencies is trivially easy unless you're running very impressive lengths of cable (dozens to hundreds of feet).


Edited by cjl - 4/16/14 at 10:08pm
post #381 of 1186
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Originally Posted by herbie12389 View Post
 

How is this a legit post. Of course cables make a huge difference! One of the best ways to tune a system. 


*citation needed


Edited by cjl - 4/16/14 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by x838nwy View Post
 

This is fairly interesting:

 

The TQ Effect

 

This is about speaker wire, but it touches on interconnects too. This guy knows his stuff...

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:39pm
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What sort of comment are you expecting? You're in the sound science forum. Just about everything you say there is incorrect and contrary to the scientific principles of how wires work. You aren't going to get very far around here with this line of approach.

A wire, if it is properly designed and manufactured and isn't several city blocks long, has no sound at all. If it alters the sound, it's defective and should be returned. I don't doubt that there are cables deliberately hobbled to alter sound. Those are the crappy ones. Thankfully Monoprice is well stocked with inexpensive cables that perform perfectly.
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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:39pm
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Edited by herbie12389 - 4/17/14 at 10:39pm
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Here's some advice for you, because you seem to be having problems putting things in relative perspective.

Speakers, Headphones, Room Acoustics, Signal Processing matter A LOT.

Amps- The only things that really matter are power and features

DAPs, CD/DVD/Blu players- Features are the only thing that matter

Cables- Don't matter at all as long as they aren't shorted out

Your opinions on cables are SO far from being correct, it's going to get you nothing but grief in the Sound Science forum. If you aren't prepared to discuss the science behind why you think cables have a sound, you might as well just quit and go to the cable forum where you can get by with purely subjective opinions. Around here, we have the right to require listening tests and science to back up opinions.
post #388 of 1186
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Originally Posted by herbie12389 View Post

There is a difference without a doubt. Please choose to use your ears with several a/b tests. Some cables it only needs one listen to know the difference. Its shocking how night and day it is. What happens on paper and graphs happens on paper, how our ears and brain processes it is a completely different thing.

You might want to spend an afternoon with this thread. There are several good A/B tests on cables. Sorry, no audible difference.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths
post #389 of 1186

I'm just sharing my opinion, I think its fair for people to listen to some of these fine components. You owe it to yourself. Its not my business to talk about the science of how a cable is made, mostly very smart people already did the thinking for me, the only job I have left to do is judge and evaluate what it does to my system in between each piece. You're cheating yourself by not trying man. 

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Its not my business to talk about the science of how a cable is made...

Then you're in the wrong forum.

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