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Thank you Joe Skubinski for the greatest post I have read on this forum. You've opened my eyes.

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Not much.  He went on the offensive against Steve Eddy over this post.

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Man, when a post is the great(I missed it), people need to do a screen capture...just saying. 

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Man, when a post is the great(I missed it), people need to do a screen capture...just saying. 

 

Let's just say that it was in Joe's best interest that he deleted it. It wouldn't have ended well.

 

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Let's just say that it was in Joe's best interest that he deleted it. It wouldn't have ended well.

 

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GAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! Now I really wish I hadn't missed it. biggrin.gif

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Let's just say that it was in Joe's best interest that he deleted it. It wouldn't have ended well.

 

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Hmmm... I got it in an email. Not even knowing the particulars, other than what's been posted here, but having experience in private-label and custom manufacturing, it was a very lame defense that also hinged on at least one major logical fallacy. So I just arrived, loaded for bear.  Alas, the bear have left the room.

 

Yes, it was indeed in Joe's best interest that he deleted it.

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Was it along the lines of what happened to me and my Musical Fidleity X-CANV2? I opened the amp to have it modded and found it contained the previous X-CANS version electronics. I told Musial Fidleity and from that they found they had been ripped off by the company who was making the amps for them over in Tiawan. 

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This is probably one of the most interesting things I've read. Relating sight to what people hear, could this be a case with a lot of the "inferior yet popular" headphones? I know this discussion is about cables but it makes sense when it comes to hardware too. I.E. people seeing Beats owners all the time, so they could easily think they're the best.

I have always believed that cables were one of the most marked up items you could ever buy, that's why I buy from Monoprice. They are cheap, gold plated (usually) and have different gauge offerings. Not to mention all of their cables are very high quality.
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This is probably one of the most interesting things I've read. Relating sight to what people hear, could this be a case with a lot of the "inferior yet popular" headphones? I know this discussion is about cables but it makes sense when it comes to hardware too. I.E. people seeing Beats owners all the time, so they could easily think they're the best.
I have always believed that cables were one of the most marked up items you could ever buy, that's why I buy from Monoprice. They are cheap, gold plated (usually) and have different gauge offerings. Not to mention all of their cables are very high quality.


...you may be surprised by how much the Beats are marked up. :P

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You may be surprised by how much every headphone is marked up!

 

At least most headphone developers (even Monster) do some R&D. Not pointing any fingers at the ones who don't *cough*Grado*cough*.

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Figured I'd contribute. So I don't know how I could do actual tests and calculate differences, but I've just spent the last 40 minutes of my life switching back and forth between my stock cable and the Moon Audio Silver Dragon V2 cables I have for my HD650. My girlfriend was into the idea, as a psychologist and researcher by trade, to help me do this blindly. I'm listening to FLAC files and using a Marantz PM5004 amp's headphone jack. I listened to Blind Boy's of Alabama's "Way Down in the Hole", Buena Vista Social Club's "Chan Chan" and Luciano Pavarotti's "I Pagliacci, Act I: Vesti la giubba." 

 

So, yeah, there appears to be an actual audible difference, and not necessarily for the positive 100% of the time. The largest difference is the bass. The stock cable has more of it, and it actually detracts from the music, especially in the Blind Boy's song where the singer's voice is actually a bit muddied by it. The Moon cables improved on the sound by evening it out a bit. The "Chan Chan" song was the same. Now, Pagliacci, on the other hand, actually sounded noticeably better with the stock cable. Pavarotti's voice had more gravitas to it, is the best way I can describe the difference. I suppose if I had to describe the effect the cables have, it's cleaning the sound up. I suddenly wish I were better at being descriptive...

 

I have no idea how this may help anyone's argument here, but I had some fun. I could hear differences and while they weren't obvious or intense, they were noticeable. ~$300 noticeable, though? Not really. Eh, at least now I know that if I'm listening to opera, I should switch cables for the full effect. 

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How did you go about level matching between the two cables? What's the resistance of the stock cable versus the Dragons?

 

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Figured I'd contribute. So I don't know how I could do actual tests and calculate differences, but I've just spent the last 40 minutes of my life switching back and forth between my stock cable and the Moon Audio Silver Dragon V2 cables I have for my HD650. My girlfriend was into the idea, as a psychologist and researcher by trade, to help me do this blindly.

 

 

Can you describe the protocol including how the cables were randomised, a single blind test is better than sighted but, and I have twin degrees in Psychology myself, there are all sorts of subtle cues that experimenters can give out unconsciously (see Clever Hans) and of course experimenters themselves are human and often have their own expectations.

 

And as Steve says Level matching is crucial especially where we are dealing with a few mV, even a 0.2db volume difference can seem like a jump in quality. I have 4 CD players and no two have the same output level  and I can DBT the loudest and quietest 14/14 , but when I level match nope !


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