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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I am suprised that the tera player doesn't advertise the lack of any type of screen as a feature to improve sound quality.

 

Seriously have people ACTUALLY bought one of those? Has anyone actually paid 1600 euros?!?!?

 

I think Swimsonny did, not sure.

post #452 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I am suprised that the tera player doesn't advertise the lack of any type of screen as a feature to improve sound quality.

 

Seriously have people ACTUALLY bought one of those? Has anyone actually paid 1600 euros?!?!?

 

I think Swimsonny did, not sure.

post #453 of 467
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Originally Posted by Theta Alpha 1 View Post

 

I think Swimsonny did, not sure.

He writes dissertations on cables. 

post #454 of 467
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The level of gullibility of some people really is stunning.

post #455 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

The level of gullibility of some people really is stunning.

I can't think of any other industry where expectation bias is exploited so much. 

post #456 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

For the last time. Lets drop it. You are still missing the entire point. I expressed discontentment at the product.

You expressed discontentment at the product despite having absolutely no experience of it.
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I don't need to hear it to know that it doesn't have magical qualities.

You do need to hear it to claim any of the following:

it has no audible differences from another player

it does have audible differences from another player

it sounds dull

you can hear a high frequency roll off
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Maybe you do or maybe you equate audible transparency to magic

The only claims of audible transparency in this thread have been made by you, in reference to the Sansa Clip+.

Yet again:

I have made no claims about the player. None.

I have made no magical claims. My single claim is that because I haven't heard the player I do not know how it sounds. This is a very solid position which requires no explanation.

Claims of the ability to assess sound quality of unheard objects are not solid and are extraordinary and do require evidence. That evidence should be verifiable. Negative remarks about my character do not constitute evidence of your ability to assess sound quality of unheard objects.
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

....your behavioural issues.

Another negative personal characterisation, or in plain English an insult. If you want to "drop it" you could begin by refraining from offering disparaging personal remarks in place of data that supports your extraordinary claims.
post #457 of 467
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post


You expressed discontentment at the product despite having absolutely no experience of it.
You do need to hear it to claim any of the following:

it has no audible differences from another player

it does have audible differences from another player

it sounds dull

you can hear a high frequency roll off
The only claims of audible transparency in this thread have been made by you, in reference to the Sansa Clip+.

Yet again:

I have made no claims about the player. None.

I have made no magical claims. My single claim is that because I haven't heard the player I do not know how it sounds. This is a very solid position which requires no explanation.

Claims of the ability to assess sound quality of unheard objects are not solid and are extraordinary and do require evidence. That evidence should be verifiable. Negative remarks about my character do not constitute evidence of your ability to assess sound quality of unheard objects.
Another negative personal characterisation, or in plain English an insult. If you want to "drop it" you could begin by refraining from offering disparaging personal remarks in place of data that supports your extraordinary claims.

An audibly transparent DAP will sound no different from another audibly transparent source.... And with regards to other statements, I have already explained multiple times. Never said I could assess the sound quality regarding specifics. Note the use of 'if anything' there will be less etc etc... I am really getting tired of this.

 

I never linked your character to my ability to assess the SQ accurately, which I never even once claimed that I was capable. It was in fact you that linked character to the scientific discussion that was taking place at the beginning. I offered no disparaging personal remarks other than that your discussions are often quite disturbing and derogatory in nature and other people think so too. Please stop being hypocritical and stop putting words in my mouth. I have already clarified myself many times to no avail. If I somehow still offended you I am sorry.

post #458 of 467
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Seriously Julian67 STFU!

post #459 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I can't think of any other industry where expectation bias is exploited so much. 

 

I guess this is because there is not really any other human sense which is susceptable to expectation bias... TV's / Visual for example this does not really work. Hearing however and perception of audio can change dramatically with things like expectation bias, mental state etc.

post #460 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

I guess this is because there is not really any other human sense which is susceptable to expectation bias... TV's / Visual for example this does not really work. Hearing however and perception of audio can change dramatically with things like expectation bias, mental state etc.

Audio and wine. XD And of course many other placebos in other fields, but they are nowhere near as strong and consistent as in audio. Maybe to do with evolution?


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/29/13 at 8:10pm
post #461 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Hearing however and perception of audio can change dramatically with things like expectation bias, mental state etc.

Luckily a complete absence of sound need not be an impediment. Ears can be such a bother.
post #462 of 467
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Luckily a complete absence of sound need not be an impediment. Ears can be such a bother.

Just noticed we are all from the UK. How come you guys are all still up at this time?

post #463 of 467
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Originally Posted by Barra View Post

Will Rockboxing correct the freeze issue? Has anyone got one with a battery that lasts anywhere near the 15 hour claim?

 

15 hours!?!?!

post #464 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Seriously Julian67 STFU!

Your eloquence is as impressive as your capacity for insightful comment and your personal charm. Were these irresistable qualities bestowed on you by nature's blessing or did you perhaps attend one of the famous Swiss finishing schools?
post #465 of 467
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Your eloquence is as impressive as your capacity for insightful comment and your personal charm. Were these irresistable qualities bestowed on you by nature's blessing or did you perhaps attend one of the famous Swiss finishing schools?

His comment may lack eloquence, but it doesn't lack potency. :p

 


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/29/13 at 8:25pm
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