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post #421 of 467
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post


You earlier accused me of having "unwavering faith in the Tera player". That was demonstrably untrue.

Your current ad-hominem is equally untrue:
I haven't made even one positive comment about the Tera-Player, or any mention of "what it claims to be".

This aspect of the conversation actually arose because people assessed the player's sound quality wihtout hearing it. These unusual quality assessments have been accompanied by accusations of dishonesty and bias in others and a succession of ad-hominem "arguments".
Again you are assessing sound quality without hearing the device. Is this a compulsion that cannot be resisted?

Earlier in the thread you stated
But here you are trusting a single RMAA frequency response curve from an unloaded player, and using it to judge the sound quality of a player you have never heard!

And you accuse me of "unwavering faith" in a player of which I have offered no opinion!

I didn't link the article to make a case for the Tera-Player. I don't own one or have ambitions to own one and if I wanted one I couldn't afford it anyway. I did so because I found the article interesting and Mr Altmann's writing style is very descriptive, concise and entertaining. I thought others might be interested.

I've not made a single comment promoting the Tera-Player. Not one.

You are still missing the point and from the looks of it, you will forever miss the point.

 

You have unwavering faith that there is an equal probability of the Tera being what it claims to be and failing in that respect. RMAA can sometimes biased but still provides a point of reference. It has rolled off treble as one can clearly see. The Tera player is meant to be the ultimate transparency DAP which it clearly is not from the other output graphs as well. 

 

From the link you have provided, I have concluded that the Tera is not what it says it is. The mightiest of all DAPs with unequalled transparency etc etc. The Clip+ is to an extent an audibly transparent player. So I don't see how one can surpass a level of audible transparency by galaxies and universes.

 

I have not heard the DAP, but I can make an informed decision from the link that you have provided that it cannot fulfil what it is described as being capable of.

You seem to mistakenly believe that no informed decision can be reached without actually hearing the object itself. Following your stream of thought, no informed decision can be made without hearing anything. Then what is the point of using graphs? What is the point of this entire discussion?

 

You call me biased for thinking that a DAP with practically zero functionality and a ludicrously exorbitant price tag doesn't really live up to its name. Mmm...

post #422 of 467
Thread Starter 

To me the Tera player looks like an inside joke...

 

Basically they made this ridiculous player and put an absurd price tag on it just to see if anyone would actually buy it...

 

Turns out some people did and I bet the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the cash point.

post #423 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

To me the Tera player looks like an inside joke...

 

Basically they made this ridiculous player and put an absurd price tag on it just to see if anyone would actually buy it...

 

Turns out some people did and I bet the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the cash point.

Audio is the only industry I have seen with such a high number of Veblen goods. 

post #424 of 467
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Audio is the only industry I have seen with such a high number of Veblen goods. 

 

I notice a lot of it on head-fi... putting items into price brackets and assuming that this determines the sound quality.

post #425 of 467
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I notice a lot of it on head-fi... putting items into price brackets and assuming that this determines the sound quality.

Audible transparency is not that hard to achieve and it can be done rather cheaply as well. 

post #426 of 467
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

At least if you're going to post pictures from Charles' site, post one of the man himself.....wink_face.gif

 

Suddenly, I feel like the mystery of the TP has been solved. A picture really can replace a thousand words.

post #427 of 467
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Suddenly, I feel like the mystery of the TP has been solved. A picture really can replace a thousand words.


Rofl well said

post #428 of 467
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You are still missing the point and from the looks of it, you will forever miss the point.

You have unwavering faith

You keep asserting this. It is unfounded and untrue. I've expressed no opinion on the player. None.

You insist on repeating an untruth and also making negative personal characterisations.

Again:

I have expressed no opinion on the player.

I have pointed this out directly to you several times so you are past the point where it passes as an honest mistake or part of the give and take of conversation.

Knowingly repeating an untruth is a very unpleasant practise. It diminishes you and undermines anything else you say.
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You call me biased for thinking that a DAP with practically zero functionality and a ludicrously exorbitant price tag doesn't really live up to its name. Mmm...

No.

I called you biased for making claims about sound quality without ever hearing the player, for making claims about someone else's thoughts and motivations, and for making nasty and unsupportable allegations of dishonesty in others.

I call you biased again now for knowingly repeating untruths and making unsupported negative personal characterisations and accusations.
post #429 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Lets all just stop and think about this for a second...

LOOK at the tera player....

LOOK at the website....

LOOK at the pictures of the designer / manufacturer of the tera player....

It is CLEAR that this player is an ABSOLUTE JOKE...

I have not heard it and I do not even care what the sound quality is like all I know is it costs $1000 and it does not even have a screen and looks like it was designed by a 3 year old. Frankly you would have to be CLINICALLY INSANE to purchase that item.

We're speaking in terms of EUR to USD, it would actually be well into the $2,000 range, would it not?

But nevertheless, point well taken --- especially when you consider that you can very well buy a brand new Clip+ for around $50.00 (again, USD).
post #430 of 467
I don't have Tera-Player or any opinion as to its merits or otherwise. I don't have any religious faith but I do have a an old bible and a Clip+

post #431 of 467
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post

You keep asserting this. It is unfounded and untrue. I've expressed no opinion on the player. None.

You insist on repeating an untruth and also making negative personal characterisations.

Again:

I have expressed no opinion on the player.

I have pointed this out directly to you several times so you are past the point where it passes as an honest mistake or part of the give and take of conversation.

Knowingly repeating an untruth is a very unpleasant practise. It diminishes you and undermines anything else you say.
No.

I called you biased for making claims about sound quality without ever hearing the player, for making claims about someone else's thoughts and motivations, and for making nasty and unsupportable allegations of dishonesty in others.

I call you biased again now for knowingly repeating untruths and making unsupported negative personal characterisations and accusations.


I merely pointed out the fact that you are adamant in holding an open view about the Tera. Despite the measurements... Stop copying and pasting taking things out of context. I did not repeat any untruths. And I repeat again, any Individual with a basic knowledge of science and how this industry works will not call me biased for thinking Altmann will not be able to be objective about his own creation and that the Tera is highly doubtful. It is merely an informed opinion and one which I am entitled to.
Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/29/13 at 2:31pm
post #432 of 467
Yes I have been adamant in not making a judgement where I have no means to form a judgement. It's unclear how this can be held to be a failing.

You accused me of having "unwavering faith" three times, even after I have repeatedly pointed out that I have made no claims of any kind about the player. A bit of give and take is normal but if you repeatedly make accusations after they are shown untrue then that is perfectly reasonably described as repeating an untruth.

If you like to make unpleasant, untrue or unfounded personal remarks to and about people that is up to you, but try not to act innocent and surprised when met with a frank rebuttal.
post #433 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post


DBTs are different from ABX.

 

DBT is a type of ABX.

 

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I know but havn't quite a few people done this already?

 

None that I'm aware of.

 

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I think the point nicholars is trying to get across is that for a company Apple's size, production costs are negligible and so pricing their products quite high is greedy to say the least.

 

Companies are greedy... what a cliched and trivial statement. I am willing to spend extra money on Apple products because I think the quality is apparent. Read professional comparisons of their products, and they often say the same thing. I don't care if their "production costs are negligible" (which isn't true). They spent the time developing products which can be produced in way that results in profit. So did Sansa.

 

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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

The iPod Nano is overpriced (should be about $100), and the Apple computers are overpriced, but the Touch, for all that it can do, is not overpriced. I would like to see them drop the price on the Classic by about $50, since they haven't changed anything on it in 4 years. 

 

Apple makes several computers which are priced competitively. They do get expensive as you go up their product lines, but those are usually sold to professionals. I mean, I'd love for them to lower prices on all their products, but they are running a business. I don't think $250 for the 160 GB ipod is remotely unreasonable. Are there even competitors?

post #434 of 467

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http://www.rakuten.com/prod/sandisk-4gb-sansa-clip-mp3-player-w-microsd-slot-black/211933819.html?listingid=285665908

 

I just got two, they are refurbished, but maybe that means that they will work the with the first unit they send rather than having to return several. Be warned that I have returned a whole bunch I had ordered from amazon due to freezing issues and bad batteries. But when you get one that works correctly, the sound makes it worth the trouble.

post #435 of 467

QUALITY ISSUES: Is anyone else having the severe quality issues that I have been having? I have tried both the Clip+ and the Clip Zip and have ended up returning four in the last month due to freezing issues and bad batteries that will not charge. They sound great when they work, but I have never been able to get one to work for more than 2 hours without freezing up or the battery completely draining from a full charge.

 

Will Rockboxing correct the freeze issue? Has anyone got one with a battery that lasts anywhere near the 15 hour claim?

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