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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I could deride you and mock you for your unwavering faith in the Tera player,

I didn't express any. I stated unambiguously that I've never heard it and don't know if it is good bad, bad or indifferent.
 
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Yes the Tera will sound better at fixed volume levels than the HM-801 which has a cliff like treble roll off. 

Again you assert to know its sound quality without ever hearing it.
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

And again, you seem to mock others that they are biased when you are more biased yourself.

I haven't heard the player and have expressed no opinion on how it might sound while others who have also never heard the player are describing how it sounds and also how its sound compares to other players.

Identify the bias. You have a 50/50 chance of a good answer.

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... I do believe the Tera is utter nonsense and would be happy to place a good sum of money that it won't be galaxies above every and other existing DAPs on the market.

So do that. But belief and a hypothetical wager aren't like a substitute for hearing.
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Or maybe do you possess telepathy yourself?

No. I am completely incapable of knowing how a player sounds without actually hearing it. This is apparently a symptom of bias. Others, including you, have been able to assess the sound quality despite no sound passing through your ears. This is apparently a symptom of sweet reason.
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Leaving aside my telepathy prowess, I have had several email exchanges with Charles, where I asked him some questions regarding the Tera. Not a single coherent response was provided. Other than, here is the price, here are the descriptions and reviews etc. 

As we don't know what you asked or how he responded then that is not informative.
post #407 of 467
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Originally Posted by Eisenhower View Post

The notion that ipods sound bad is incorrect and cliched amongst "audiophiles". The clip+ measures well, but I've yet to see any real proof that it sounds better than an ipod.

I've been a longtime proponent of the Clips with Rockbox, but my 4th gen Touch sounded every bit as good as they did. If you want to say sound quality per dollar the Clips are better, that's fine.

 

The iPod Nano is overpriced (should be about $100), and the Apple computers are overpriced, but the Touch, for all that it can do, is not overpriced. I would like to see them drop the price on the Classic by about $50, since they haven't changed anything on it in 4 years. 

post #408 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

My biggest gripe with Apple is how they are so cunningly good at preventing Apple product users from using other companies' products.

 

Yes for example non expandable memory, ALAC, itunes etc etc. I don't buy apple products out of principle even if they do sound good I do not want to fund the company because I think they have bad ethics.

post #409 of 467
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Originally Posted by julian67 View Post


I didn't express any. I stated unambiguously that I've never heard it and don't know if it is good bad, bad or indifferent.
 
Again you assert to know its sound quality without ever hearing it.
I haven't heard the player and have expressed no opinion on how it might sound while others who have also never heard the player are describing how it sounds and also how its sound compares to other players.

Identify the bias. You have a 50/50 chance of a good answer.
So do that. But belief and a hypothetical wager aren't like a substitute for hearing.
No. I am completely incapable of knowing how a player sounds without actually hearing it. This is apparently a symptom of bias. Others, including you, have been able to assess the sound quality despite no sound passing through your ears. This is apparently a symptom of sweet reason.
As we don't know what you asked or how he responded then that is not informative.

Firstly, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place if you weren't positive that the Tera player is what it claims to be... Secondly, what is the point of posting the RMAA output link. One can see treble roll off. The Tera claims to be such an audibly transparent source according to Mr Altmann, and already the first graph proves that it fails in achieving what it claims to achieve. 

post #410 of 467
Thread Starter 

Lets all just stop and think about this for a second...

 

LOOK at the tera player....

 

LOOK at the website....

 

LOOK at the pictures of the designer / manufacturer of the tera player....

 

It is CLEAR that this player is an ABSOLUTE JOKE...

 

I have not heard it and I do not even care what the sound quality is like all I know is it costs $1000 and it does not even have a screen and looks like it was designed by a 3 year old. Frankly you would have to be CLINICALLY INSANE to purchase that item.


Edited by nicholars - 5/29/13 at 12:47pm
post #411 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Lets all just stop and think about this for a second...

 

LOOK at the tera player....

 

LOOK at the website....

 

LOOK at the pictures of the designer / manufacturer of the tera player....

 

It is CLEAR that this player is an ABSOLUTE JOKE

Amen.

post #412 of 467

I have the clip+ too and honestly for the price, you wont be able to find anything more worth it! :)

 

Cowon however are also worth the money. Have owned one before and is definitely worth it. 

 

hisoundaudio's Nova mp3 players are also on the pricy side like cowons but are good too. These mp3 are worth the money. 

post #413 of 467
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Originally Posted by zhensing View Post

I have the clip+ too and honestly for the price, you wont be able to find anything more worth it! :)

 

Cowon however are also worth the money. Have owned one before and is definitely worth it. 

 

hisoundaudio's Nova mp3 players are also on the pricy side like cowons but are good too. These mp3 are worth the money. 

I want the Tera. The DAP that is many galaxies and universes above the rest. wink_face.gif

post #414 of 467
Thread Starter 

What is good about the COWON players?

 

I think I might get one of those when I have some more money.

post #415 of 467
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What is good about the COWON players?

 

I think I might get one of those when I have some more money.

They have excellent specs. The J3 has insanely long battery life, their EQ BBE built in equaliser is really impressive and fun to fiddle around with. Similar to the newest ipod touch.

post #416 of 467
Thread Starter 

"For the first time in the history of mankind

a pocket size music-player is being offered

that delivers super-fidelity sound quality"

 

 

 

 

Price for the standard Tera-Player: EUR 1680,- incl. shipping, orders taken by email.

 

That is all......


Edited by nicholars - 5/29/13 at 12:56pm
post #417 of 467
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

"For the first time in the history of mankind

a pocket size music-player is being offered

that delivers super-fidelity sound quality"

 

 

 

 

Price for the standard Tera-Player: EUR 1680,- incl. shipping, orders taken by email.

 

That is all......

Come on Nicholars. You are being biased. Don't judge a book by its cover..... :p

post #418 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Firstly, we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place if you weren't positive that the Tera player is what it claims to be...

You earlier accused me of having "unwavering faith in the Tera player". That was demonstrably untrue.

Your current ad-hominem is equally untrue:
I haven't made even one positive comment about the Tera-Player, or any mention of "what it claims to be".

This aspect of the conversation actually arose because people assessed the player's sound quality wihtout hearing it. These unusual quality assessments have been accompanied by accusations of dishonesty and bias in others and a succession of ad-hominem "arguments".
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Secondly, what is the point of posting the RMAA output link. One can see treble roll off. The Tera claims to be such an audibly transparent source according to Mr Altmann, and already the first graph proves that it fails in achieving what it claims to achieve. 

Again you are assessing sound quality without hearing the device. Is this a compulsion that cannot be resisted?

Earlier in the thread you stated
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I don't trust RMAA either nor am I a single graph monomaniac.

But here you are trusting a single RMAA frequency response curve from an unloaded player, and using it to judge the sound quality of a player you have never heard!

And you accuse me of "unwavering faith" in a player of which I have offered no opinion!

I didn't link the article to make a case for the Tera-Player. I don't own one or have ambitions to own one and if I wanted one I couldn't afford it anyway. I did so because I found the article interesting and Mr Altmann's writing style is very descriptive, concise and entertaining. I thought others might be interested.

I've not made a single comment promoting the Tera-Player. Not one.
post #419 of 467
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Come on Nicholars. You are being biased. Don't judge a book by its cover..... :p

At least if you're going to post pictures from Charles' site, post one of the man himself.....wink_face.gif

post #420 of 467
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

Come on Nicholars. You are being biased sane Don't judge a book by its cover..... :p

 

Corrected :p

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