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post #46 of 136

Does those better ones has higher bitrate? Source could be a factor. Could be the phone bringing out more details, and you discover new details on those songs. :)

 

Also better phones tend to be more revealing, and as a result, crap in, crab out, and vice versa.

 

Or is it a specific genre that sound good compare to others? HD598 is known in this forum for being generous and sounding great almost in every genre.

 

Just curious Hevan,

Do you recall if Siberia went through the same burn-in you currently experiencing in 598?

post #47 of 136
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Does those better ones has higher bitrate? Source could be a factor. Could be the phone bringing out more details, and you discover new details on those songs. :)

 

Also better phones tend to be more revealing, and as a result, crap in, crab out, and vice versa.

 


Yeah I struggled at first to really tell a difference between low bitrate files (sub 320kb) and lossless, but then I got the amp that my headphones obviously sorely needed and now the difference between lossless and 192kb MP3 is totally obvious! Bass and highs sound uncontrolled, details are muted, but really the whole thing sounds covered or blanketed. Yet lossless it's like you've removed that blanket and everything has room to breathe and do it's thing.

 

post #48 of 136
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@ OneSec, the songs which I played the most on this headphone currently sound better then the ones I didn't play very often yet, especially with a different genre.

 

Also I never experienced this with the Siberia, I didn't even know it worked like this :P

 

@Thommohawk the songs actually sound different from when I used my headphones now after 10 hours of use and within the 1st hour there is an immense difference, it sounded so flat and dull in the beginning and now things are becoming much more detailed & dynamic.

post #49 of 136

Ditch your Siberia, or give it to your little cousin.

 

Welcome to Head-Fi, and I'm sure are looking for further improvement soon. For now, enjoy the burn in. If this phone brings you new excitement to sound and music, I would suggest to look at areas to improve this enjoyment / new hobby with the most cost effective manner

  1. Improve on your source files - re-ripping, etc. Go lossless such as FLAC /  WMA (I think there is an apple format). Extremist would go uncompressed lossless, such as WAV or another apple format. Go lossless should be a safe bet, since you can convert to a uncompressed lossless later. However once you go lossy (MP3 / AAC / WMA compressed), then there is no way you can convert back to loseless. I use EAC personally for ripping. Old days itunes and Media player sucks, since they have 0 error correction in ripping, but I heard they improved a lot. 
  2. Adjustments on your PC to reduce the mechanical noise / jitter, or some sound damping to tune down the fan noise (since your headphone is a open can)
  3. A good player - Foobar is already a good version. So you are covered, and you are using WASPI as well.

 

Here are some links that would make your setup easier -

http://www.head-fi.org/t/402765/eac-foobar-asio4all-wasapi-settings-pictorial

 

Many there are newer information you might need to search around. After these you are still looking for more improvement, then probably looking into new cans, or an AMP/DAC/Pre-amp as suggested by Thom. Sorry for your wallet then LOL.

 

Post to us how did your phone improved. Most people would state the improvement on different frequency range, from low (drums, bass, impact etc), to mids (cello, mail voice, lower range of guitar), and highs (female voice, violins, etc)

 

For me I noticed the best improvement on bass for my K702, if improved from a muddy, yet thin bass to clean, and better impact and faster bass. People in the forum claims K702 has recessed bass, but it was okay for me since I listen to classical, which would not need emphasis on any frequency range :)

 

However I never understand when people say the bass can go really deep, probably that's the lacking of K702, or my ears :D

 

 

post #50 of 136

I dont like sennheiser either tbh... Maybe if you are not happy with them then you just dont like sennheiser either.... You could try something like Audio technica, Denon, ultrasone etc. Might have a bit more "wow factor" because personally I find sennheisers a bit dull overall.

post #51 of 136
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@Thommohawk the songs actually sound different from when I used my headphones now after 10 hours of use and within the 1st hour there is an immense difference, it sounded so flat and dull in the beginning and now things are becoming much more detailed & dynamic.



Yeah, sounds about right. Pretty much my experience with my headphones. Not that mine ever sounded dull, but takes a couple of days.....

post #52 of 136
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I dont like sennheiser either tbh... Maybe if you are not happy with them then you just dont like sennheiser either.... You could try something like Audio technica, Denon, ultrasone etc. Might have a bit more "wow factor" because personally I find sennheisers a bit dull overall.



This is also how i feel about Sennheiser

post #53 of 136
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Open Foobar and go to File > Preferences > Playback > Output ~ Select your WASAPI device under the Device tab and hit Apply.
 
Try playing something in 44.1khz, if it works you have bit-perfect, if it doesn't your soundcard isn't configured correctly.
 
And regarding the amp, any device that gives your headphones volume has some sort of amp built in, otherwise you wouldn't hear anything!


A bit off topic, but thanks a bunch for the tip here!  I feel like I finally unlocked the true potential of my usb DAC.L3000.gif  I was originally under the impression that simply installing the WASAPI pluggin was enough for bit-perfect play, silly I know!   Anyway, I will not derail the thread further please continue!


Edited by Digital-Pride - 9/16/11 at 1:11pm
post #54 of 136
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A bit off topic, but thanks a bunch for the tip here!  I feel like I finally unlocked the true potential of my usb DAC.L3000.gif  I was originally under the impression that simply installing the WASAPI pluggin was enough for bit-perfect play, silly I know!   Anyway, I will not derail the thread further please continue!



Just wanted to add on to the thread about audio optimisation in Windows.

 

The support files from NuForce are really good for beginners and pros alike.

 

http://www.nuforce.com/hp/support/guides.php

 

For USB setup, there are some good and detailed PDF files there.

 

For any other beginner, the other audio guides by NuForce are also very well written.

 

I'm not affiliated with NuForce in any way, just a happy customer of one of their products. :)

post #55 of 136
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@Lord Soth, does it matter what kind of music I pump through it for the adapt process? Or does the volume matter?


I've read somewhere from some audiophile forum (sorry can't remember exactly where) that ideally one should condition it with all types of music if possible.

 

What I personally do use is the test CD version downloaded from NuForce.

 

There are various tracks in the test CD which will stretch the limits (i.e low to high frequencies, left right freq sweep and various types of music tracks) of whatever audio equipment you wish to do the "burn-in".

By way of analogy, the burn-in process is like body-building.

You have to work out various muscle groups in order to get a balanced body shape. E.g. one should not focus only on the biceps only or only subject your audio equipment to bass heavy-metal only music for the burn-in process.

 

So if you use a test CD which subjects your equipment to various frequencies from the very low to the very high, you are giving your equipment the muscular workout that it needs.

 

Yeah. I admit that this sounds very unscientific.

But it really works for my equipment and any new hi-fi equipment I have purchased.

So I can only speak about "burn-in" from an experienced consumer point of view, rather than that of an audio engineer or scientist.

post #56 of 136
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Thanks for the posts everyone :))
 

Have used them a few hours again today and they're still improving so much all the time, I can hardly put them off now :PPP

 

I'm thinking about buying some cheap amp, to see what that can do.

 

I've read good things about a Fiio E5/E6, anyone has any experience with those?

 

I'd like an amp with some volume control, if this is possible. (A button which I can turn arround to put my headphones louder / softer).

 

Edit: I also have a Logitech Z-5500, which I hardly ever use, and it has some kind of "control center" which looks a bit like an amp, is this an amp or just a control unit and nothing more?

 

logitech_z5500_4.jpg


Edited by Hevan - 9/17/11 at 6:56am
post #57 of 136

So no Grado??

post #58 of 136
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Edit: I also have a Logitech Z-5500, which I hardly ever use, and it has some kind of "control center" which looks a bit like an amp, is this an amp or just a control unit and nothing more?

 


Plug your headphones in, if they have sound, you have an amp. The quality might be questionable, more often than not they're simply an afterthought as that isn't the main use of the device. When people around here refer to amps they're talking about dedicated headphone amps that just amplify the headphone and nothing more.

post #59 of 136
Thread Starter 

Will most likely stick to the HD 598, and might buy an amp to try to up the clarity a bit, to make it more vivid.

It's very hard to come by good headphones here, they don't sell grado's or ad700's or anything like that here :/

post #60 of 136
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Just wanted to add on to the thread about audio optimisation in Windows.

 

The support files from NuForce are really good for beginners and pros alike.

 

http://www.nuforce.com/hp/support/guides.php

 

For USB setup, there are some good and detailed PDF files there.

 

For any other beginner, the other audio guides by NuForce are also very well written.

 

I'm not affiliated with NuForce in any way, just a happy customer of one of their products. :)


Those guides are indeed helpful and very informative, thanks!  I tell ya, one cannot stress enough the importance of proper audio component setup.

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