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post #61 of 105

Judging from spec from Audio-gd's website, the amp itself is fine (after all, it is very hard to make bad amp.)

 

Really, if you want to invest more on amplification for HD650, 600 and 800, you have to go balanced. And decent balanced amps are generally more expensive than most of super high-end headphones. For example, it cost me about 3k for my balanced DIY beta22 configuration. Woo audio one costs 2k, and Headroom is 1.7k, and I figure not much different for rest of companies, demanding at least more than 1k for balanced configuration. Also going balanced means that you will NEED balanced source, that means you need soundcard/external DAC that are capable of balanced output, yet another money to be spent for proper setup.

 

From my experience, one get much more for their money if he/she get better 'transducers' (headphones for our case) instead of amplification. There we have things like LCD-2, which I consider them as true improvement over HD650, and do not really require super powerful amplification to drive them well (very little difference when plugged my beta22 and my tiny portable player :P )  They cost almost exactly 1k, and they will probably give you the best performance for your situation.

 

 

In the end, my opinion is, saving more and going for better headphones is best choice for you.

 

 

Plus : And yes, one thing I can promise you for certain, is that DT880 indeed have more aggressive high compared to K701, but still tolerable (remind you I really hate pretty much all Grado headphones due to their high with exception of Joseph one and Alessandro). And stay away from SA5000 as far as possible.

 


Edited by wnmnkh - 9/13/11 at 2:16pm
post #62 of 105
Thread Starter 

Ah well. I guess the amp option is out, and I suppose it would be good to save up for an upgrade instead.

 

I love the LCD2 sound and probably would have bought it except for the fact that:

 

A) People say my NFB-12 would not do it justice.

 

B) It's not comfortable.


Edited by ac500 - 9/13/11 at 2:28pm
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Ah well. I guess the amp option is out, and I suppose it would be good to save up for an upgrade instead.

 

I love the LCD2 sound and probably would have bought it except for the fact that:

 

A) People say my NFB-12 would not do it justice.

 

B) It's not comfortable.

 


Comfort is indeed very important issue (fortunately they are very comfortable for my head at least.) I conjure people with big heads are having problems.

 

And again, I am listening these with my Sansa Clip+, and they sound very good.... I really do not think they need anything more powerful than a typical portable amp.

 

post #64 of 105
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Originally Posted by wnmnkh View Post

Judging from spec from Audio-gd's website, the amp itself is fine (after all, it is very hard to make bad amp.)

 

Really, if you want to invest more on amplification for HD650, 600 and 800, you have to go balanced. And decent balanced amps are generally more expensive than most of super high-end headphones. For example, it cost me about 3k for my balanced DIY beta22 configuration. Woo audio one costs 2k, and Headroom is 1.7k, and I figure not much different for rest of companies, demanding at least more than 1k for balanced configuration. Also going balanced means that you will NEED balanced source, that means you need soundcard/external DAC that are capable of balanced output, yet another money to be spent for proper setup.

 

From my experience, one get much more for their money if he/she get better 'transducers' (headphones for our case) instead of amplification. There we have things like LCD-2, which I consider them as true improvement over HD650, and do not really require super powerful amplification to drive them well (very little difference when plugged my beta22 and my tiny portable player :P )  They cost almost exactly 1k, and they will probably give you the best performance for your situation.

 

 

In the end, my opinion is, saving more and going for better headphones is best choice for you.

 

 

Plus : And yes, one thing I can promise you for certain, is that DT880 indeed have more aggressive high compared to K701, but still tolerable (remind you I really hate pretty much all Grado headphones due to their high with exception of Joseph one and Alessandro). And stay away from SA5000 as far as possible.

 




I just got a pair of SA-3000 out of ebay, with your recommendation...happy_face1.gif

post #65 of 105
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I just got a pair of SA-3000 out of ebay, with your recommendation...happy_face1.gif



 

SA3000 is actually -much- better headphones than SA5000. I owned both, and SA3000 lasted a lot more longer. I must say, there is a single headphone I decided to return to the reseller ever since I have interested in headphones (got my first real good headphones, HD590 in 2003, and soon after I found head-fi). And it was SA5000. Really, unacceptably horrible with such aggressive high. I almost think I might gotten faulty pair (maybe it really was.... to be think about it...)

 

But, unlike SA5000, SA3000 is much more balanced. High is about as aggressive as typical Beyer, which I could tolerate. While SA3000 did not bring as much resolution as SA5000 did, tonal balance is just much better. I once recommended SA3000 as poor man's K701 when K701 was still rather expensive. It was like K701 with more aggressive high.

 

Not to mention, SA3000 uses fabric earpads unlike leather ones in SA5000. As I hated, and still hate leather pads in general, it was good plus for me.

 

Since you like K701, you will like SA300 a lot. It's a good phone.

 


Edited by wnmnkh - 9/13/11 at 6:19pm
post #66 of 105
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Too bad so few people have heard the SRH-940 I guess. The best I could describe my preference is a cross between the SRH-940 with a slight hint of HD-650 (so just slightly toned back treble and just slightly less harsh). I think the DT880 seems my best fit at this point, anyway.


Wouldn't that be the HD600? From everything I've heard the DT880 is apparently even brighter than the Shure.

 

post #67 of 105
Thread Starter 

I guess possibly, but would the HD600 really sound much more detailed? I've heard that the HD650 is more detailed and better resolution?


Edited by ac500 - 9/13/11 at 6:32pm
post #68 of 105
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SA3000 is actually -much- better headphones than SA5000. I owned both, and SA3000 lasted a lot more longer. I must say, there is a single headphone I decided to return to the reseller ever since I have interested in headphones (got my first real good headphones, HD590 in 2003, and soon after I found head-fi). And it was SA5000. Really, unacceptably horrible with such aggressive high. I almost think I might gotten faulty pair (maybe it really was.... to be think about it...)

 

But, unlike SA5000, SA3000 is much more balanced. High is about as aggressive as typical Beyer, which I could tolerate. While SA3000 did not bring as much resolution as SA5000 did, tonal balance is just much better. I once recommended SA3000 as poor man's K701 when K701 was still rather expensive. It was like K701 with more aggressive high.

 

Not to mention, SA3000 uses fabric earpads unlike leather ones in SA5000. As I hated, and still hate leather pads in general, it was good plus for me.

 

Since you like K701, you will like SA300 a lot. It's a good phone.

 


 


I trust you on the balanced, and full black they looks better then the 5K. I never had the chance to hear any of the 1K/3K/5K series, but I had the opportunity to hear the Qualia 010...and I think I like them a lot. I wonder if the Qualia blue/red pads will fit the 3K. If not, I think I'll be okay with the fabric pads as well.


Edited by Acix - 9/13/11 at 6:59pm
post #69 of 105
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But, unlike SA5000, SA3000 is much more balanced. High is about as aggressive as typical Beyer, which I could tolerate. While SA3000 did not bring as much resolution as SA5000 did, tonal balance is just much better. I once recommended SA3000 as poor man's K701 when K701 was still rather expensive. It was like K701 with more aggressive high.

 


My opinion of both phones; The SA5k is better than the 3k all around, it's a slightly edgier sound with more bass slam no doubt due to the seal of the leather ear pads. The SA3k is has an airy tone too it, where the SA5k has additional detail and resolution. I wouldn't consider either of them close to a 880 or K701 for that matter, think DT48 with a soundstage. As mentioned previously they greatly benefit from a warmer solid-state or low-impedance tube amp. With a bright/metallic sounding amp or no amp at all they are awful, I would have a completely different impression of them if it wasn't for the Singlepower.

post #70 of 105


 

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I guess possibly, but would the HD600 really sound much more detailed? I've heard that the HD650 is more detailed and better resolution?



It's more neutral. For detail they are about similar/same.

post #71 of 105
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My opinion of both phones; The SA5k is better than the 3k all around, it's a slightly edgier sound with more bass slam no doubt due to the seal of the leather ear pads. The SA3k is has an airy tone too it, where the SA5k has additional detail and resolution. I wouldn't consider either of them close to a 880 or K701 for that matter, think DT48 with a soundstage. As mentioned previously they greatly benefit from a warmer solid-state or low-impedance tube amp. With a bright/metallic sounding amp or no amp at all they are awful, I would have a completely different impression of them if it wasn't for the Singlepower.


 

Well, it was just more than "slightly edgier". :P

 

post #72 of 105
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My opinion of both phones; The SA5k is better than the 3k all around, it's a slightly edgier sound with more bass slam no doubt due to the seal of the leather ear pads. The SA3k is has an airy tone too it, where the SA5k has additional detail and resolution. I wouldn't consider either of them close to a 880 or K701 for that matter, think DT48 with a soundstage. As mentioned previously they greatly benefit from a warmer solid-state or low-impedance tube amp. With a bright/metallic sounding amp or no amp at all they are awful, I would have a completely different impression of them if it wasn't for the Singlepower.


 

Well, there is a name for DT-48 with a lot of sound stage...this called K-1000 you'll even get a bit extension in the highs. I was very impressed with the qualia 010, is the Formula 1 of the hps. I think this will be interesting with my Apogee mini dac, and the V100 amp, and I hope soon I'll have one off the SPL's.

post #73 of 105

Buy the SA5000's off Headphone.com use them, send them back if your unhappy for a full refund.

post #74 of 105
Thread Starter 

Well here's an update. The more I listen to my HD 650's vs. the Shure 940's, and I feel kind of silly now, but I realize that the perceived detail was mostly due to the Shure's coloration - and the fact that they are very close to the HD 650's resolution, but I'm starting to think they're not quite as good. The HD 650's are differently colored in a way that makes the details much more subtle, but they're still there and slightly more refined (so, better).

 

In part due to the novelty of my shiny new SRH940's though, I was kind of excited because I was definitely noticing things more clearly and up front than the HD 650.

 

Also, the more I listen to both (amped of course), the more I realize the HD 650's are a bit more natural sounding to me, in the sense that the SRH940 almost sounds too vibrant and crisp to be real life. Nothing wrong with that, and I'm glad I have them. But interestingly, I'm finding myself listening to and enjoying my HD 650's more for some reason, in the long term.

 

The SRH940's fulfill what I wanted them for perfectly. They're my closed, analytical pair - and they're analytical and forward for when that's what I want. But it's interesting that when I start putting in long term listening, I'm leaning towards the HD 650's, and I still absolutely love them (the 650s... and well the SRH940's also).

 

So conclusion: I'm gonna stick with my HD 650's and my SRH-940's.


Edited by ac500 - 9/13/11 at 11:11pm
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So conclusion: I'm gonna stick with my HD 650's and my SRH-940's.


Good.

 

But that's also why most of us have more then one headphone.

 

Sure, my T50RP sound as close as LCD-2's as possible, but I still like to listen to my SR80i's every now and then.

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