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post #46 of 105
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Ok, I'm confused again. Which has more aggressive highs, the AKG 701, or the DT880?

 

Also that's interesting you would say the q701 solves the headband problem. In pictures it looks identical except for color.

post #47 of 105
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Ok, I'm confused again. Which has more aggressive highs, the AKG 701, or the DT880?

 

 


 

This will be different for everyone. Supposedly the K701's highs smooth out with burn-in, but I don't know.

For me, the DT-880's treble was less fatiguing than the K701/K702.

 

post #48 of 105
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Graphicism likes the XB500?! I never would have thought that. Please don't take that the wrong way! Not trying to be a jerk normal_smile%20.gifI have a pair of those too and love them when I EQ the heck out of them. Hard to complain for being just $46!! Responds well to an EQ.

I always liked the bass of the HFI-680 and wanted to find something that has similar sounding bass, but I haven't heard anything like it yet.

 

I know you're not a believer of cables, but I found the HD-650 less veiled with a dirt cheap Mogami cable I made. Don't ask me how! Cost me about $25 to make. I love the cold and analytical sound I guess, so I need to try the SA5000. Been on my list for about forever.

 

 

I EQ the XB500 also but they're my main can for poorly recorded Dubstep, DnB etc which is the majority of it. I still prefer the energy and speed of my DT880s for other all electronic genres. The thing with a colored sound like this is it can be had on the cheap, that's why I concentrate on accuracy and resolution with my other headphones. As far as HFI-780 vs XB500, I think the Ultrasone is the better all-rounder but the Sony did what I wanted much better.

 

I'm not a cable believer, however I do believe in burn-in to some extent. I've had the Mogami quad before, on my HFI-780 actually, the difference if any I would chart down to a cognitive illusion. Years back Sony used litz braid by default, the type you pay a couple hundred for these days, however they have since done away with it, likely because it makes no difference. In addition what's to say that the stock cable gives you 100% transfer and an after market cable gives you 97% transfer, the difference you hear is in fact detrimental to the audio?

post #49 of 105
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Well learning that the AD2000 driver plates touch the ears kind of rules it out. And as ugly as the DT880's look, that doesn't matter, from what I read I think the DT880 600ohm is what I'm looking for the most here.

 

The only alternate would be the SA-5000, but I really don't like the idea of them being creaky and difficult to lay down with. My SRH-940's are creaky and difficult to lay down with, so it would be kind of pointless I think to get more headphones like this regardless of sound quality.

 

Now I guess I have to decide whether or not I should go for DT880's now, or mess around with my HD650's with an equalizer to fake adding more detail.

post #50 of 105
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And as ugly as the DT880's look, that doesn't matter, from what I read I think the DT880 600ohm is what I'm looking for the most here.

 

The only alternate would be the SA-5000


I'll throw another spanner in the works and say if you are contemplating the two then consider the additional expense of a tube amp, OTL for the 880/600s. I've heard the DT880/600s on quite a few amps and they don't come alive until they're connected to a good OTL tube amp; DV336, 3337, WA2, 6 etc. The likes of the LDIII are underpowered for these cans, people may disagree having heard the combo but the move up to 6AS7 tubes is huge. The Sony SA-5000 sounds alright from a warm sounding solid state source, but much better on a low impedance tube amp like a WA 6 or Singlepower PPX3.

 

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Sony SA3000 with PPX3 SLAM

post #51 of 105
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Arrgh this is so hard to decide :)

 

Now I'm leaning towards the SA5000 because I'm reading that the DT880's aren't as good as my HD650's in many ways, so if I'm gonna get something different I might as well go totally different like the SA5000. I just hope they don't slip off my head if I lay down with them like my SRH940s.

post #52 of 105
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Ok, I'm confused again. Which has more aggressive highs, the AKG 701, or the DT880?

 

Also that's interesting you would say the q701 solves the headband problem. In pictures it looks identical except for color.



The DT 880 are much more aggressive in the highs . eek.gif

 

EDIT: I think you should hear some of those hps for yourself, because I see here a lot of confusion.


Edited by Acix - 9/13/11 at 12:00pm
post #53 of 105
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Arrgh this is so hard to decide :)

 

Now I'm leaning towards the SA5000 because I'm reading that the DT880's aren't as good as my HD650's in many ways, so if I'm gonna get something different I might as well go totally different like the SA5000. I just hope they don't slip off my head if I lay down with them like my SRH940s.

 

I think the reason you're getting so confused is because you're thinking in terms of better/worse, which doesn't really exist once you get to phones like the DT880 and HD650.  No headphone is perfect at any price point.  Both of these phones are technically proficient and they both have shortcomings so it comes down to you figuring out what shortcomings you can live with and what strengths are most important to you. 

 

When you read someone say something like "HD650 is better than DT880" it doesn't mean it is true in a general sense, you have to take into account their preferences and try to figure out why they feel that way, and if that is something you care about.  If they have different priorities than you, their preferences wont' hold true for you. 

 

For example, I prefer the HD650 to the DT880 because my number one priority is natural tonality and smooth frequency response with no peaks or harshness.  So I don't care that the DT880 may appear sharper or more detailed or faster, those things aren't as important to me. 

 


Edited by rhythmdevils - 9/13/11 at 12:34pm
post #54 of 105
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I think the reason you're getting so confused is because you're thinking in terms of better/worse, which doesn't really exist once you get to phones like the DT880 and HD650.  No headphone is perfect at any price point.  Both of these phones are technically proficient and they both have shortcomings so it comes down to you figuring out what shortcomings you can live with and what strengths are most important to you. 

 

When you read someone say something like "HD650 is better than DT880" it doesn't mean it is true in a general sense, you have to take into account their preferences and try to figure out why they feel that way, and if that is something you care about.  If they have different priorities than you, their preferences wont' hold true for you. 

 

For example, I prefer the HD650 to the DT880 because my number one priority is natural tonality and smooth frequency response with no peaks or harshness.  So I don't care that the DT880 may appear sharper or more detailed or faster, those things aren't as important to me. 

 


Couldn't agree more. Best post i've read in awhile.

What I do to find a headphone is pick out what I want in a headphone down to every single thing in it's sound signature and then find one to match that. Sometimes it's tough.

Usually when something is said to have forward mids I jump all over it normal_smile%20.gif

All this is why I like the K501 over the K702 and KRK KNS-6400 over the 8400. The K702 and 8400 are technically better or so they say. Makes no difference to me if they don't match my requirements.

 

These days it's useful to some find someone on here who has a similar sound preference to you and listen to their opinions more than the rest.

What makes it really tough is that there is so much difference in the amps, sources and cables, so that one headphone may sound different for everyone.

 

post #55 of 105
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Too bad so few people have heard the SRH-940 I guess. The best I could describe my preference is a cross between the SRH-940 with a slight hint of HD-650 (so just slightly toned back treble and just slightly less harsh). I think the DT880 seems my best fit at this point, anyway.

post #56 of 105
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Ok, I'm confused again. Which has more aggressive highs, the AKG 701, or the DT880?

 

Also that's interesting you would say the q701 solves the headband problem. In pictures it looks identical except for color.



Total number of bumps of K70x headbands are 7, while Q701's are 8.

 

This means, the center bump of K70x will apply pressure on your head via a bit unpleasant way, while you won't have such problem with Q701.

 

 

I just noticed you have HD650. I really do not think you need another headphones in that range. Save more money for higher end headphones.

post #57 of 105
And what about the hifiman HE-4 ? I've heard they are pretty impressive for 500$ orthos
post #58 of 105

Another vote for the SA5K's, you should take heed to the collective widom that's bestwoed upon you... wink.gif

They certainly meet all your cretiria and then some. The overall response is certainly not 'flat' sounding- they're actually bright (Not in a peaky annoying way, just a slight emphasis)  and somewhat lean on the bass but both ends are very extended and meticliously refined, as any cans i've heard in both sides of the grand megabuck. Dunno if the NFB12 thingie would be suitable though, they need an amp with some meat in it.

 

Build quality is suprb, wherever you got the notion from that they creak is not the truth, Indeed the'yre all metal but the craftmaship is top notch IME.

 


Edited by Amarphael - 9/13/11 at 1:50pm
post #59 of 105
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Originally Posted by wnmnkh View Post
I just noticed you have HD650. I really do not think you need another headphones in that range. Save more money for higher end headphones.


Yeah I'm actually considering trying a better amp for my HD 650 instead, which might be a better use of my money. I just see too many people saying they prefer the HD 650 to so many other headphones, I wonder if my NFB-12 amp is inadequate or something to bring out enough detail (as opposed to the low impedance SRH-940).

post #60 of 105
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The DT 880 are much more aggressive in the highs . eek.gif

^ that

 

 

EDIT: I think you should hear some of those hps for yourself, because I see here a lot of confusion.

^ and that



 

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