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post #16 of 105
if your going AKG route you should look into their discontinued line-up and try to snatch up pair of akg 240 sextetts lp or akg 240DF's. far better to any current AKG line-up. the 240DF's and sextetts can lack serious bass extension if your amp is not capable of delivering enough voltage. the 240DF lot think there bass light but they're not especially if you feed them power. the 240DF is also very detailed and accurate. more so accurate compared to the 701/702 and is capable of keeping up with the big guys like the hd800's when it comes to transparency. downside is they're pain to power to get proper extension especially in the bass. i think there has to be a spike somewhere in impedance since 600ohms is nominal@1khz which requires extra voltage swing.

or the k400/500's be another great choice to look at. they all can provide an expansive soundstage(if intended by recording. not artificial expansion) and some of the best midranges around. the only other headphones out for accuracy is audiometric headphones. the beyer dt48A is still produced today by beyerdynamics since the 1930's(didn't hit the consumer market till 1950) under special order. you can find some at B&H in stock still. they are well praised for their transparency and one of the most detailed midranges around. the other one that is like the 240DF's that's still in production is the beyer DT48S. they are diffused Field equalized like the 240DF so they provide the same precise accuracy for studio recording. much easier to drive as well compared to the 240DF's. if your looking for extra deep bass extension flat down to 20hz the pioneer monitor 10's are something to look at as well. they are every bit like the 240DF in accuracy but can extend lower and higher. they can reach 20hz no sweat if you seriously need that type of sub-bass and they can easily peak up to 20khz(yes i can still hear this tone. i like to take care of my hearing).

let you know i'm actually taking a risk here letting you know this...well cause the headphones i mentioned are one of the most best kept secrets around here and no one is willing to share their secrets with others.
post #17 of 105
Thread Starter 

I think the sony looks like the bass is too recessed for me. I want these to be potentially my "main" headphones (vs my current HD 650s), and an overly recessed bass would make that difficult.

 

The SRH-940 is almost perfectly flat down to 30 Hz. The Sony SA5000 drops off drastically (muted completely it looks like) starting at 100Hz and below.

 

The Beyer DT880 on the other hand looks great from FR graphs. The square wave also looks quite good. But I know synthetic measurements aren't all that useful.

 

I hear good things (and some mixed) about the AD2000 as well, so it's probably down to these two. Then again, in direct comparisons between the SRH-940 (my reference point of sound quality for this purchase) and DT880, it seems people like the SRH-940 sound more. Examples:

 

> vs DT880 (250) - SRH940 wins everywhere here EXCEPT comfort. Sonically it is better than the Beyer's in every respect,

 

> The SRH940 mids trump the DT880's mids in every way - they are very forward, and just breathtakingly beautiful.  

 

Maybe a used AD2000 is my best bet, but it also seems unpopular and very scarcely reviewed.


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 10:37am
post #18 of 105

I don't think you'll get one for 350 I think they sell for over 400 used.  And you might want to change your avatar, there's a head-fier who's been here a long time who has the same one so you're kind of jacking his style yo. 

post #19 of 105
Thread Starter 

 

Are you sure about the price? I see flawless condition AD2000's going for $300 USD:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/519017/audio-technica-ad2000

 

Regarding the avatar, he specifically encouraged me to use it. If he drew it himself though I'd switch to something else definitely, but it's a public image from a magazine, which I originally found via google. Do a google image search for "HD 650" and it's on the first row of the first page. 


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 11:16am
post #20 of 105

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I don't really like the idea of permanently modding headphones though.


Which is why you test it out before making it permanent. ;) I HAD to permanently mod them after hearing them open. That's how good they sound. But, hey, suit yourself. :P

post #21 of 105
Thread Starter 

Edit: It seems the Denons have a bit of a laid back sound though, while I'm looking for good neural headphones which are very highly detailed like my SRH940.

 

If I find a AD2000 for a good price I'll buy it. Otherwise I'll probably get a DT880 600-ohm. The DT880 it seems isn't quite a good as my SRH940 in some ways, but for comfort and open-air it seems for the most part quite similar. Very interesting (impressive) IMO that the SRH940 seems so unmatched in terms of sound quality in its price range, if only Shure made a comfortable open version that would be perfect.


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 12:04pm
post #22 of 105
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Originally Posted by ponkine View Post

K701 is not flat, IMHO

 

like most AKG's, bass is quite poor



Do you mean to bass quality or quantity? BTW, to what hps do you compare the K-702, and on what systems do you use?

post #23 of 105

Flat/neutral, highly detailed and resolving headphones, and of course you'll need a good system as well.

 

1. K702.

2. K-1000

3. Stax 4070

4. HD-800

post #24 of 105
Thread Starter 

HD-800 is way outside of my price range. Stax 4070 appears to be closed. K-1000 is discontinued but maybe an option if it's really comfortable. K702 from what I've heard isn't as detailed or comfortable as a Beyer DT880, and has recessed bass.


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 3:32pm
post #25 of 105
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HD-800 is way outside of my price range. Stax 4070 appears to be closed. K-1000 is discontinued but maybe an option if it's really comfortable. K702 from what I've heard isn't as detailed or comfortable as a Beyer DT880, and has recessed bass.



The DT880 have smiley face EQ curve sounds, with no much depth in the sound stage. 

post #26 of 105
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Beyer DT880

Second.
 

 

post #27 of 105
Thread Starter 

Edit: Hmm it appears some reviews say the 702 has better mids. So confusing (I thought the DT880 is supposed to have better mids than an AKG701/702).

 

I do know that MalVaeuX compared the AKG701 to the SRH940, and found the SRH940 clearly superior:

 

> Overall, the SRH940 is the winner on my journey between these two headphones from my original thread that lead to me buying both of them. It just has a more energetic forward sound that I find superior to the K701 in every application. The K701 sounds laid back to me, artificially large sound stage to the point of fault. It's a fantastic headphone, I'm sure I would be in love with it had I not tried the SRH940. It's a very good headphone. But again, the SRH940 just bests it in sound. If you like the laid back kind of sound of a headphone, the K701 is it between the two. But if you want something with forward mids that really is energetic by comparison, the SRH940 just takes it and runs.

 

So the SRH940 has better mids and bass than the K701, which has better mids than the DT880. This is kind of disappointing - is it really impossible to find an open headphone that sounds as good as the SRH940 without going > $500? Maybe I should re-look into the Sony's despite their lacking bass.

 

Again the overriding reason here is to get something that sounds as good as the SRH940 but more comfortable, and is open. The SRH940 isn't bad but I much dislike when there is something pressing down on the top of my head.


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 4:43pm
post #28 of 105
I'll also add a vote for the Sony MDR-SA5000. I think they're the most underappreciated headphone here.

Plus they are quite comfy and I think they look great.

One caveat is that Sony did a finky job of soldering the cables to the drivers. I had to open mine up for a resolder. Irritating, but they perform quite well.
post #29 of 105
Thread Starter 

Well I read the SA5000 has build quality issues, and is not comfortable to lie down with.

 

I'm actually interested in the AKG 701/702 a bit now. Looking at the FR and square wave graphs shows that it is eerily identical in every single graph to the SRH-940. It's almost as though it's the same driver or something even though I'm sure it's not.

post #30 of 105
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

The DT880 have smiley face EQ curve sounds, with no much depth in the sound stage. 


Huh? DT880 are close to neutral, it's the DT990s that have the curve.



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Edit: Hmm it appears some reviews say the 702 has better mids. So confusing (I thought the DT880 is supposed to have better mids than an AKG701/702).

 


The DT880 has much better mids than the K701, the only thing the K701 has going for it is the soundstage, and even then I find that hollow.

 

Pretty sure the DT880 is what you're looking for, can't see anyone being upset with that headphone unless they're a bass head or trying to power it with a cell phone. SA5000 is also a solid recommendation, I wouldn't worry about the cable issue.

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