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Empirical in my mind is a joke. I'd never ever ever pay anywhere near that much for something that takes it's power from a damned wall wart. The markup on that product is so unfathomably high (I mean seriously, 600$ to make it passively cooled? Yeah, I can get a PC running passive for cheaper than that)

 

If anybody here owns on of their products, I'm going to lose respect for you unless it's some crazy freaking how the most amazing sounding thing ever.


Edited by Aynjell - 1/27/12 at 1:58pm
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I'm going to lose respect for you unless it's some crazy freaking how the most amazing sounding thing ever.


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Empirical in my mind is a joke. I'd never ever ever pay anywhere near that much for something that takes it's power from a damned wall wort. The markup on that product is so unfathomably high (I mean seriously, 600$ to make it passively cooled? Yeah, I can get a PC running passive for cheaper than that)

 

If anybody here owns on of their products, I'm going to lose respect for you unless it's some crazy freaking how the most amazing sounding thing ever.


If you are being serious and not just rhetorical I suggest you talk to Steve.  He is very transparent about his costs in relation to his pricing - for instance with the Hynes upgrades, while the regulators themselves don't cost the price of the upgrade, if you add Steve's cost of licensing their use it adds up.  Another example is his bronze chassis upgrade - he sells it at cost.  As to the wall-wart issue, he is overhauling the substation - and you can run it off a monolith if you want.  In the high-end  DAC market, there aren't many products that I'm aware of that have the same component cost/retail price as the Overdrive.  Especially for jitter audibility believers. 

 

Now that we've successfully derailed this thread, I may as well digress further: I noticed Jose Gonzalez on your music preferences.  That has to be the first time I've seen him mentioned on HF.  I guess it goes without saying that you've tried out Nick Drake's Five Leaves Left and Pink Moon?

 

 

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Out of curiosity, has Tyll ever listened to or measured magnum Grados?

 

*goes off to search InnerFidelity*



No. But I'd like to.  Anybody got some they'd like to loan me for a measure?

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No. But I'd like to.  Anybody got some they'd like to loan me for a measure?



I'm tempted.. but, I don't have spare pair. I'll ask some friends that have more than one pair.. I'd really like for you to measure a pair of well burned in magnums vs unburnt and I'd like for the burned ones to be in oil treated limba. Let me see if I can make it happen. 

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If you are being serious and not just rhetorical I suggest you talk to Steve.  He is very transparent about his costs in relation to his pricing - for instance with the Hynes upgrades, while the regulators themselves don't cost the price of the upgrade, if you add Steve's cost of licensing their use it adds up.  Another example is his bronze chassis upgrade - he sells it at cost.  As to the wall-wart issue, he is overhauling the substation - and you can run it off a monolith if you want.  In the high-end  DAC market, there aren't many products that I'm aware of that have the same component cost/retail price as the Overdrive.  Especially for jitter audibility believers. 

 

Now that we've successfully derailed this thread, I may as well digress further: I noticed Jose Gonzalez on your music preferences.  That has to be the first time I've seen him mentioned on HF.  I guess it goes without saying that you've tried out Nick Drake's Five Leaves Left and Pink Moon?

 

 

No way in hell I'm spending 4000$ to 8000$ on a DAC designed to run on a wall wart, so I can buy a power supply that replaces that wall wart for another 1200$. There's no way it sounds that good, and not to mention it's the only DAC I've seen that requires a _FAN_. When it comes to a device designed to reduce noise, improve clarity, etc, INTRODUCING MORE BACKGROUND NOISE IS SIMPLY HEINOUS. Oh unless I'm seeing it wrong, even with that device you STILL use a wall wart because it takes DC IN, not AC. Please look at the actual pictures. It's just disgusting.

 

Maybe I'm a purist, but I refuse to buy a product that doesn't have it's own built in power supply or come with a power supply externally that handles the AC to DC conversion (but whichever method, it better have an IEC inlet because without one we're using a wall wart of some kind). if I had a 8000$ DAC I sure as hell wouldn't want it running off a wall wart.

 

Anybody who spends that kind of money on a DAC with obvious design flaws is just mad and subscribing to the spending more to get more philosophy. The entire product range from that company screams snake oil. 

 

 

Also, never heard of Nick Drake, but I'll check it out.


Edited by Aynjell - 1/27/12 at 1:57pm
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Edit - we're too far off topic as is.  

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Oh, and I think it's a bit silly when people type out these long descriptions of just how the changes advanced in a non-linear way. That is to say: people claim during burn-in that the headphones will sound worse, then better, then worse, then even more worse, then a lot better, then a whole lot better. Or some combination of those descriptors.

 

Again, notice how it always seems to settle at the end on a better sound. Why not stop at worse? These sorts of descriptions read to me like someone's psychological struggle with trying to justify keeping a pair of headphones or returning them. "She loves me, she loves me not" and so forth.

 

Also our moods will change throughout the day, and the circumstances surrounding our listening sessions can change perceptions. Sometimes I'll come back to an old friend to find they sound pretty bad to me that particular day. Only for them to sound great a month later. Doesn't mean the change is in the headphones. The change is in me.


Haha yes, I love reading about burn-in going in circles :3 and the changes are all for the better. Anyway, I think it would be wrong of me not to be honest, I did notice a change. Wether that change was not pure imagination, or at least partially, I can't say. I'm still pretty sure the bass extended much more, the highs still sound rolled-off. Like I said, it matters little because I like it a lot the way it is now.

 

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This is awesome, thanks for the lulz. :D

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"I was glad to see insert atheist's name here well written article on the subject, which basically states that even if God does exist (and there's no conclusive evidence to whether he does or doesn't) the effects of Him would not be as pronounced as people think.

 

Did anyone else notice how this sounds like an athesit in a religious debate? LOL too much reddit/r/atheism for me I guess

 

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I was glad to see Tyll's well written article on the subject, which basically states that even if burn in does exist (and there's no conclusive evidence to whether it does or doesn't) the effects of it would not be as pronounced as people seem to think.



 

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I've personally never heard an atheist say "the effects of God would not be as pronounced as people think." That strikes me as a bizarre thing to try to argue.

 

Sounds more like a Deist arguing for a clockwork universe, FWIW.

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Yeah it doesn't fit perfectly, I was looking at the sound of it at a glance with a few words replaced, not necessarily the argument. But, I think it's similar to saying even if I had seen God with my own eyes, I still wouldn't believe in religion, which is what I say.

 

Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I've personally never heard an atheist say "the effects of God would not be as pronounced as people think." That strikes me as a bizarre thing to try to argue.

 

Sounds more like a Deist arguing for a clockwork universe, FWIW.



 

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I think we all know where this is headed...

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