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post #1816 of 2264
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Originally Posted by Level5 View Post


I too ordered the 661 and also the 681 EVO. 

 

Don't want to hijack the thread, but I also ordered the 681 EVO for $ 27,00 (27 !).

It is supposed to have an improved low end, tamed highs, and to be almost flat.  I hope it is true cause i hate v-shaped.

I bet you will enjoy your 661 (btw, the isolation is great, it comes with 2 detachable cables, 1 m and 3 m, a nice chinese-like red satin bag LOL, a 6.3 adapter, a jack-lock, the fit is perfect, the building quality is great and the industrial look is superb, the whole package is incredible for the price)

post #1817 of 2264
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

Don't want to hijack the thread, but I also ordered the 681 EVO for $ 27,00 (27 !).
It is supposed to have an improved low end, tamed highs, and to be almost flat.  I hope it is true cause i hate v-shaped.
I bet you will enjoy your 661 (btw, the isolation is great, it comes with 2 detachable cables, 1 m and 3 m, a nice chinese-like red satin bag LOL, a 6.3 adapter, a jack-lock, the fit is perfect, the building quality is great and the industrial look is superb, the whole package is incredible for the price)

Man I feel ripped off buying each for around $40+! Where did you order it from?
post #1818 of 2264
Double post ftl
Edited by Level5 - 4/17/13 at 12:33am
post #1819 of 2264
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Originally Posted by Level5 View Post


Man I feel ripped off buying each for around $40+! Where did you order it from?

at thomann.de

since i'm not located in the EU, they don't charge for VAT, and fortunately the swiss customs didn't charge for it either.

so the price was Euros 22,00 = Swiss francs 29,00 = $ 29,00 ;-))

http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd_681_evo_bk.htm

 

same for the 662 and 661 ($ 29): http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd662_f.htm  /  http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd661_black.htm

 

eventually, i got 3 amazing cans for less than $ 100... deal of the year for me.

 

i know for sure that it's asian "copy-paste" gear but the price difference was too tempting.

i already sold dt-880-600 and philips X1, i don't know yet which other over-priced phone will be the next to go. biggrin.gif

 

back to the KOSS DJ 100 now, sorry for hijacking the discussion ph34r.gif

post #1820 of 2264
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

at thomann.de

since i'm not located in the EU, they don't charge for VAT, and fortunately the swiss customs didn't charge for it either.

so the price was Euros 22,00 = Swiss francs 29,00 = $ 29,00 ;-))

http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd_681_evo_bk.htm

 

same for the 662 and 661 ($ 29): http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd662_f.htm  /  http://www.thomann.de/gb/superlux_hd661_black.htm

 

eventually, i got 3 amazing cans for less than $ 100... deal of the year for me.

 

i know for sure that it's asian "copy-paste" gear but the price difference was too tempting.

i already sold dt-880-600 and philips X1, i don't know yet which other over-priced phone will be the next to go. biggrin.gif

 

back to the KOSS DJ 100 now, sorry for hijacking the discussion ph34r.gif

I'll guess it all depends on what kind of sound you like (as always in this hobby). I've also got the 662f from Thomann and hate it because it's lacking way to much in the bass department for my taste. 

 

I managed to get my DJ100's for $50 shipped on Ebay and consider them a lot better deal. 

 

As I said: Each to their own. The most important is that you're happy with you're purchase gs1000.gif .

 

It's always a danger for us guys living in smaller countries (with less possibility to audition before purchase) since we often have to trust reviews from others. I've bought som headphones my self up on raving reviews that has not been to my taste at all (Brainwavz HM5 and Somic Efi82 MT comes to mind).


Edited by peter123 - 4/17/13 at 4:22am
post #1821 of 2264

interesting, i do have the 662F also and had the dj100s. i am a basshead, and bass on the 662F is satisfying for me, while bass quantity an dj100 was not.

post #1822 of 2264

Hey, I think it would be helpful if you updated the OP with your experience with pad swaps. I'm highly tempted to pick up another pair while the sale is still going, but I really don't know what pads I should consider. The suggestions are kinda scattered all over the thread -- from the M50, to the HM5, to the Pearstone. I'm just trying to get as close to the HD650 sound as possible, while being more comfortable than the stock pads.

post #1823 of 2264

as the hd650 is laidback and the koss is agressive, they could not be more different in my opinion

post #1824 of 2264
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

as the hd650 is laidback and the koss is agressive, they could not be more different in my opinion

 

I don't think the DJ100 is aggressive sounding in any way. With modded Pearstone/Auray Velour pads it's just about as warm as my HD-650. It even has slightly more bass (mostly low bass).

Of course the mids of the HD-650 are more "laid back" and there is of course more treble on the TBSE/DJ100. I guess compared to the 650 you could say the DJ100 is more "aggressive sounding", but that's more like a Grado or something.

 

BTW this is even with a transparent amp/dac that's not warm or bassy etc.

 

Oh and the HD-650 is definitely more forgiving of bad recordings..the DJ100..not so much. Some of them.


Edited by tdockweiler - 4/17/13 at 12:40pm
post #1825 of 2264
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

Hey, I think it would be helpful if you updated the OP with your experience with pad swaps. I'm highly tempted to pick up another pair while the sale is still going, but I really don't know what pads I should consider. The suggestions are kinda scattered all over the thread -- from the M50, to the HM5, to the Pearstone. I'm just trying to get as close to the HD650 sound as possible, while being more comfortable than the stock pads.


I've updated the original post a month ago and think I listed the Pearstone (now called Auray) Velour pads. Right now i'm using the Velour pads but unfortunately they're very hard to suggest due to requiring a mod to get them to sound good with the DJ100. It involves poking small holes in each inside edge of the pad. Otherwise they're too bassy IMO with the DJ100 and treble seems to be reduced. Some may like it though.

 

The M50 pads also have a bunch of "vent" holes on the insides of the pads. Both pads also have foam backings which helps the DJ100's sound.

 

The sound with the velours is good, but some may not like the extra warmth it adds to the DJ100/TBSE. It's even smoother sounding than stock.

 

Anyway, i'll make sure I list all the pads i've tried. It seems though that the resulting sound varies so much with each person due to ear size. What sounds good for me might sound much worse for someone else.

 

I wish I could get SRH-940 pads to sound good with the DJ100 but it seems impossible. Such a massive loss of bass unfortunately.

 

I also tried the Auray Sheepskin leather pads but they're not much more comfortable than stock but there are some minor improvements in sound. Possibly due to the foam backing. I stopped using those within a week.

post #1826 of 2264

Perfect! Thanks for the pad impressions edit. I didn't even know you had some of those.

 

I'm sure this well help many DJ100 users and potential buyers.

post #1827 of 2264
tdockweiler wrote:
"Oh and the HD-650 is definitely more forgiving of bad recordings..the DJ100..not so much. Some of them."

I'm definitely not sure if we are talking about the same headphone... biggrin.gif
My DJ is my most forgiving HP. It revives all my indie rock, punk and old metal crappy recording, which are unlistenable with my other cans. I guess the cliff-like drop at around 5 or 6 khz + the somehow overwhelming bass ruin the neutrality but work as a nice EQ, even though the high-mids drop kills the vocals, haha... tdock, we will never agree biggrin.gif
post #1828 of 2264
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Hairspray View Post

tdockweiler wrote:
"Oh and the HD-650 is definitely more forgiving of bad recordings..the DJ100..not so much. Some of them."

I'm definitely not sure if we are talking about the same headphone... biggrin.gif
My DJ is my most forgiving HP. It revives all my indie rock, punk and old metal crappy recording, which are unlistenable with my other cans. I guess the cliff-like drop at around 5 or 6 khz + the somehow overwhelming bass ruin the neutrality but work as a nice EQ, even though the high-mids drop kills the vocals, haha... tdock, we will never agree biggrin.gif


Well, the DJ100 is definitely much more revealing of crap with the ODAC and Modi. I think you said you had the O2+ODAC, but I don't remember. It's still fairly forgiving, but the HD-650 is better in that area.

 

There is no drop off at 5k and it's actually a peak in disguise.

 

From day one i've always felt they had forward upper mids and it sticks out more than any other area. The upper mids sound as forward as that of the Q701.

 

I'm baffled that anyone could not notice forward upper mids on these, but whatever.

 

Someday I hope to see measurements of the DJ100 with different pads.

 

BTW if anything is ever forward slightly on this headphone IMO it's female vocals. That's why I like it.

 

When I saw the graphs on Inner Fidelity and Headroom my jaw about dropped. They look fine until 1khz and then it's like What the heck...??

post #1829 of 2264
Thread Starter 

This red is raw data and the blue is the regular one.

The red matches pretty closely to the one on Amazon that's from a Japanese website:

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B003X1BEKI/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0/183-1747083-1330648?ie=UTF8&index=0

 

If you check into many of the other Koss headphones they have a peak in the same area. The MV1 one has a larger peak than what the DJ100 has.

The graphs of the MV1 on the Goldenears website are disturbing.

 

Have to admit it but the DJ100 sounds to me like a mix between an AKG Q701 and an HD-650. The DJ100 still has more forward lower bass than both though, but barely. The upper mids remind me of the SR-225i.

 

The 65th aka "Annie" is closer to the DJ100 if you give the 65th more low bass, more warmth and more forward upper mids. The DJ100 definitely has more treble than the Annie and HD-650, but not the Q701.


Edited by tdockweiler - 4/17/13 at 6:34pm
post #1830 of 2264

A member asked me to post a few DJ 100 / HD-661 side by side pics (pics' quality svcks, sorry).

EDIT: since the HD661 is mid-centric and very forward sounding it seems like it's another "love it or hate it" phone.

Vocals are even more forward than with the sr60i but less fatiguing and with better clarity, separation and air. Nothing for the laid-back nazis...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7985007/Head-Fi/661-dj100_2.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7985007/Head-Fi/661-dj100_3.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7985007/Head-Fi/661-dj100_4.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7985007/Head-Fi/661-dj100_5.jpg

On the ear cups/pads pic, DJ 100's pads are the M50s (on the right), HD-661's pads are the regular ones (on the left)


Edited by Hairspray - 4/18/13 at 1:02am
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