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Whoa, you're right...there ARE little vents in the back.  Have you tried simply taping over them?


Edited by SobbingWallet - 11/5/11 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Pacorrin View Post

I probably listen to them louder than I shouldbasshead.gif

 

But I thought these phones are semi open, actually you can see quite a few openings on the cups which is where I believe most of the sound is escaping. Any other ideas besides the peanut butter? - HELP Appreciated.

 

By the way, I just had my WTF moment this afternoon! I listen to them primarily on my Ipod Touch, and I downloaded a music app that allows me to customize the equalizer quite a bit. OMG, what a difference it made. It is now blowing my CAL!s in pretty much every genre now.

 

Again, If I could decrease the leakage this would be my go to cans. I actually ordered today the M50's to increase my collection, but also for their excellent isolation and little leakage.


 

Pacorrin has a wtf.jpg moment.!! Ya I also own the Cals. I didn't say anything till you did your burn and started to listen to the HTF600s a bit more. But I have to tell you I only wish the Cals had the bass that the HTF600 has. In fact after owning the HTF600s and going back to the Cals. It is disappointing. 

 

You say you got the M50s on order. Hmm..You need isolation. I would have advised you to get something like a HFI-780. Or a Shure SRH440  Sony XZ700.. All 3 of these are better for the cash Imo..

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Originally Posted by SobbingWallet View Post

Whoa, you're right...there ARE little vents in the back.  Have you tried simply taping over them?


Bad idea, while it gets a little brighter which is good, it ruins soundstage completely and it just sound much worse.

 

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Bad idea, while it gets a little brighter which is good, it ruins soundstage completely and it just sound much worse.

 



I suppose that's to be expected, but would there be an alternative way for Pacorrin to cut down on leakage without harming the soundstage?

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I suppose that's to be expected, but would there be an alternative way for Pacorrin to cut down on leakage without harming the soundstage?


Not what I've found out. But it doesn't really leak that much from the middle of the cup around the left/right labels as there's a quite dense foam there, the vents that's at the upper edge of the cups aren't covered whatsoever and if covering these you will get quite a lot less leakage and it's not quite as bad as covering the middle holes.

 

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I got the 560s. They're nice! Muffled compared to my SR850s (which have over 150 hs of use). I'll let these burn in, they're quite promising... the wow factor, the musicality is beautiful! These're gonna be keepers I think...

I'll report back when I get to use them a bit more. Being more closed than semi open cans, they do benefit from some damping material in the back of the cups, it clears the muddiness somewhat (remember they don't even have an hour of use)

 

EDIT: The SR850 are more detailed, yes, but in comparison it sounds... anemic. Can't wait to see how the pannies get better over time! I'm impressed, they're burning in right now. I'll give them a day, tomorrow night I'll see how they're progressing.


Edited by vodkex - 11/5/11 at 11:02pm
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Pacorrin has a wtf.jpg moment.!! Ya I also own the Cals. I didn't say anything till you did your burn and started to listen to the HTF600s a bit more. But I have to tell you I only wish the Cals had the bass that the HTF600 has. In fact after owning the HTF600s and going back to the Cals. It is disappointing. 

 

You say you got the M50s on order. Hmm..You need isolation. I would have advised you to get something like a HFI-780. Or a Shure SRH440  Sony XZ700.. All 3 of these are better for the cash Imo..


Yes, although my CAL!s are not bad phones, they are currently sitting idle on my table. Actually the left speaker is rattling and I just bought them 3 weeks ago, so they are going back to Amazon and I am thinking to get the SRH750DJ for my wife (yes, the gift is really for me so I can go back and forth between them and the M50's/HTF600s!), currently only $109. I love bass impact and reverb, and I hear these Shures are great for that without sacrificing mids and highs too much, thus being good all around phone. .Do you guys have any other suggestions as well? FYI, next month I will get the Superlux HD668b.

 

What material do you guys recommend for blocking the upper vents?

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If I want steak I'd buy steak. These are bologna. Whether you pay $30 or $3000, if it sounds boxy and colored, it's bad. I'm puzzled by the number of people trying to justify that something is good because it only cost $30 (then trying to burn-in and mod the crap out of it), instead of saving $30 ten times and getting something that actually is good. 

 



You must have a bad pair.

 

My comment wasn't implying that these were comparable to steak, it was an analogy regarding burn time.....but if you want to go there YES I believe these cans will give a steak experience for those that can normally only afford ground chuck.

 

I have several pairs of cans that are much more expensive that I haven't touched since owning these except for comparison.

 

If i were to be stuck on a desert island with the HTF600 I would be dissapointed in the least.

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@jto168.. Very nice impressions.. I think you nailed it on the head for what the HTF600s are..I think it is when you look at the headphones and you realize what you just payed for them is when the WTF moment happens. It did for me, several times.. I am glad these can compliment your group of cans and do something different for you..I also own many cans with mids that are either laid back or recessed. It took me by surprise the forward presentation of the HTF600s with the big bass came out to play. Threw a smile on my face.

 



And this is the reason the model number should be WTF600.beyersmile.png

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^ LOL n1.

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Yes, although my CAL!s are not bad phones, they are currently sitting idle on my table. Actually the left speaker is rattling and I just bought them 3 weeks ago, so they are going back to Amazon and I am thinking to get the SRH750DJ for my wife (yes, the gift is really for me so I can go back and forth between them and the M50's/HTF600s!), currently only $109. I love bass impact and reverb, and I hear these Shures are great for that without sacrificing mids and highs too much, thus being good all around phone. .Do you guys have any other suggestions as well? FYI, next month I will get the Superlux HD668b.

 

What material do you guys recommend for blocking the upper vents?


Superlux 668b $60, Shure SRH750DJ $110, CAL $70 = $240.

 

I paid $270 for my Sennheiser HD 600's. Just saying...

 

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Superlux 668b $60, Shure SRH750DJ $110, CAL $70 = $240.

 

I paid $270 for my Sennheiser HD 600's. Just saying...


Sometimes buying several cheaper headphones is better than buying one expensier headphone you don't end up liking. When testing different headphones you get a lot better idea what kind of sound is suitable for you. I very early bought a DT770 Pro/80 for like 145~150 EUR or something and I didn't like it at all, ended up returning it in a matter of a week. For me HTF600 for 35 EUR > DT770 Pro/80 145 EUR.

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/6/11 at 5:39am
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Well, this morning I had a chance to compare the HTF600's to the Koss UR55's side-by-side. But first, a few remarks about the Panny's...

 

I was out of town on a business trip all last week and hadn't listened to the Panny's for probably 10 straight days. While on the road, I enjoyed some music with my iPod and Etymotic Research ER-6i's, which on the whole I consider a fairly neutral IEM. I think they lean a little bright and bass shy, but both of those traits are just small variations from neutral. Many people used to exaggerated bass (anyone under the age of 30 wink_face.gif) find them bass weak. I have to say that when I listened to the HTF600's for the first time again when I got home, I was surprised that they weren't as treble recessed (dark) as I remembered. Now my daughter has been using them so I can't say if it's just my memory or more break-in time, but whatever the reason, these now sound quite good to me. They have the typical bass hump as I remembered which does bleed a little into the mids giving that slight muddy sound, but it is not as prominent as I remember, and with a lot of music (80's rock/pop, electronic), it isn't very noticeable and often adds weight to bass that is weak in the recording.

 

With the velour pads, I don't detect any difference in sound whatsoever. When installed, the holes in the back of the Beyer pads touch the plastic that surrounds the drivers - there is no air moving through these holes so forget about that.

 

OK, on with the comparison. The Koss UR55's out of the box sounded very much like I remember the HTF600's sounding after unboxing. Bass was bloated and muddy and treble was quite recessed - basically horrible sounding. I let them play continuously for the past 2 days and they have changed quite a bit now to the point I think they are ready for evaluation. 

 

SOUND - they have the same basic signature as the Panny's. In fact, on casual A/B listening, I find it hard to tell the difference. Only when I repeat passages and focus carefully do the differences come out. The UR55's have a slightly larger bass hump which makes them hit a little harder and sound a little rounder in the mid-bass. With my jazz sample music, they sound more bloated than the Panny's. With 80's rock/pop (synth drums) and electronica, they just have more punch and slam. This added punch has a downside though. Since the mids of both phones seem almost identical to me, I think the slope from bass to mids is steeper on the UR55's, which results in the lower mids sounding a little thinner - not in a good way. Almost like there is a thin gap between them. It isn't very obvious, but to my ears, the Panny's sound a little smoother in transition from bass to mids. I think this is because the bass isn't boosted quite as high on the Panny's. The result is that with well recorded jazz and rock, the Panny's sound better - like neutral with a bass hump. On 80's rock/pop and electronic music, the UR55's sound better because the bass is more defined with a harder kick.

 

Treble with both phones is very close, which is to say just about neutral to my ears. If I had to find a difference, I would say the UR55 is a smidge brighter sounding, which I think also contributes to the impression of more definition in the bass (like turning up the sharpness control on your TV a little). Neither headphone will ever be mistaken for high-end. Neither benefits from an outboard amp - I couldn't detect any appreciable difference in sound quality between my amp and my iPod.

 

One important distinction between the Koss and Panasonic is comfort and quality. I find the UR55's somewhat uncomfortable after more than 30 minutes. They sit on parts of your ear and the pressure has me readjusting them occasionally to relieve pressure points. To Koss's credit, the UR55's are simpler and sturdily built and less likely to break than the Panny's, and since they have a shorter cord and the cups turn 90 degrees flat, they are better suited to tossing in a backpack and traveling. The Panny's on the other hand, surround the ear and feel quite comfortable. I actually think the pleather pads are softer now than when new, but really, for $18.50 the velour pads were a good buy - they transform the Panny's into an almost luxurious feeling headphone. The Panny's even look high end with the velour pads. However, the Panny's are definitely more fragile in build than the Koss's so I think they are more of a stay at home headphone.

 

In my opinion, grab the UR55's if you want a bass-heavy headphone to throw in your backpack and listen to when you're out and about. If you want an inexpensive bass-heavy headphone to keep at home and relax with, the HTF600 is a little more natural sounding and a lot more comfortable. If you listen to classic rock, jazz or classical music, look elsewhere.

 

 


Edited by palmfish - 11/6/11 at 8:39am
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Superlux 668b $60, Shure SRH750DJ $110, CAL $70 = $240.

 

I paid $270 for my Sennheiser HD 600's. Just saying...

 


 

Good point, but I am trying to start a collection here of  phones to learn about different sound signatures. I enjoy going back and forth between them.

 

I have tried some of the lower end Sennheisers at different stores and I always find them lacking in the bass department. Perhaps the HD600's have more bass, but they are open and I am looking for closed cans that have punchy, reverberating bass with good highs and mids that can be use for all types of music. It is a MUST that they do not leak or just minimally as these phones will be used in airplanes and libraries. I also need to buy them through Amazon since I am getting credit back for my CAL!s which I am returning. So far my strongest contender is the 750DJ but I have not been able to find reviews that discuss leakage. Any of you guys have experience with the 750DJs?

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Shure 750 DJ have mediocre isolation but do not leak very much sound. If you like bass 750DJ wont disappoint you a bit. The midbass is not as strong as Panasonic htf600s, but the sub bass hits VERY strong & overall bass definition is very good. Soundstage is ok but imaging is quite sharp.

The pads are not very comfortable & become quite hard & develop cracks with usage.I've elevated the pads using double sided tape so as to increase comfort. As a bonus it also resulted in forward mids & overall MUCH CLEARER sound over stock!

 

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Good point, but I am trying to start a collection here of  phones to learn about different sound signatures. I enjoy going back and forth between them.

 

I have tried some of the lower end Sennheisers at different stores and I always find them lacking in the bass department. Perhaps the HD600's have more bass, but they are open and I am looking for closed cans that have punchy, reverberating bass with good highs and mids that can be use for all types of music. It is a MUST that they do not leak or just minimally as these phones will be used in airplanes and libraries. I also need to buy them through Amazon since I am getting credit back for my CAL!s which I am returning. So far my strongest contender is the 750DJ but I have not been able to find reviews that discuss leakage. Any of you guys have experience with the 750DJs?



 

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