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Originally Posted by germe83 View Post

I LOVE Amazon & am a paying Amazon Prime member, but I really hate how they sell items as 'fulfilled by amazon.' From personal experience, it's misleading & gives consumers a false sense of security thinking they bought a genuine item from Amazon, when in fact it's just shipping from their warehouses. It's still considered sold through the third party (unauthorized seller.) All they do is ship Amazon their merchandise, and Amazon uses their warehouses to ship to customers. Westone even clearly calls out Crawfords Superstore on their website:

 

http://www.westone.com/unauthorized-music-dealers

 

As far as the W4 sounding like the PFE, I read dfkt's comparison of the two. While I love dfkt's reviews & agree with him on about 99% of things, I just completely disagree with him about the 2 sounding pretty much the same. Personally, I think they sound very different. The PFE is more of an 'analytic' iem with emphasis on detail & clarity, but also sounding more one dimensional. Don't get me wrong, I love the PFEs, but personally, they sound more like an Ety ER4 than the Westones. 

 

The W4 sounds much warmer to me. Less detail in the treble region, but much better instrument separation & much wider soundstage. Bass impact is much more powerful as well. They're very detailed & articulate, but I really wouldn't describe them as 'analytic.' They have a much warmer signature. Just my opinion though...


I love Amazon too and am also a paying Prime member. The benefits of 30 day return policy is what so highly attracts me to buy from "fulfilled" sellers.

 

Good catch on that Westone calling out Crawfords. I almost bought the W2 from them, instead I got the W4 from "Amazin Deals Online" through Amazon. Had I would have caught their $350 deal, I would have bought from Crawfords unknowingly. So, if it's not authorized, does that guarantee it's a fake? Or is there just a high chance that it could be one?

 

Well again, it's hard to put the PFE against the W4 if my W4 was bad. I swear it had to of been, because honestly, it wasn't all that good and I've tried a fair amount of IEMs in my days. PFE is slightly bright, but the W4 was even brighter and was actually fatiguing. For those who have both, if that's not true, I probably got a bad pair. A lemon? A fake? The real thing? Probably not, but I will never know. I still may get a Westone someday soon, because I LOVED it's design and accessories. Thinking the W2 this time around.

 

PFE's aren't quite my sound though. A tad less bright, a bit more warmth, more bass presence, and then things would be looking pretty good...


Edited by Katun - 9/13/11 at 8:18pm
post #92 of 265
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

I'm not a young lady, but ok. =p

 

When Katun posted in [active] Z1000 thread saying it didn't sound good, the thread died.



Well, young man (?) this is not the main W4 thread, and the last time I checked that thread was active and alive...lol. So we shall see. Anyway, I think I'm done on this thread. I like the W4 quite a bit and really don't care too much if no one else likes it. I'll save that crusade for those in Westone's back pocket. Happy listening. beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

 

What's that supposed to mean?


I thought it was self explanatory, it's exactly what it's supposed to mean, everyone has different taste, just like how some people prefer listening to Justin Bieber to Beethoven and how some prefer monster beats to hd800 or heavily eqed fxc51 to w4. biggrin.gif
Edited by Tranducer - 9/14/11 at 3:46am
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I've always wondered what the point of threads like this is...


Edited by Tefloon - 9/14/11 at 7:33am
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I've always wondered what the point of threads like this is...


Maybe to keep the FOTM syndrome in check.

 

It would be too easy to read all the love on W4, 4 drivers, Westone - great company and just chunk down $500 and think it was a no brainer.  The fact that there is a decent percentage of people that don't care for the W4 is a factor in the buying decision.  Granted you have to "qualify" some of the posts as honest, trolling, bashing and fanboy'ism, etc.

 

Once you have been on HF for a while it is easy to indentify with certain posters to help guide you in your buying decisions.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Katun View Post


I love Amazon too and am also a paying Prime member. The benefits of 30 day return policy is what so highly attracts me to buy from "fulfilled" sellers.

 

Good catch on that Westone calling out Crawfords. I almost bought the W2 from them, instead I got the W4 from "Amazin Deals Online" through Amazon. Had I would have caught their $350 deal, I would have bought from Crawfords unknowingly. So, if it's not authorized, does that guarantee it's a fake? Or is there just a high chance that it could be one?

 


I think it's unlikely that it's an actual fake. As far as I know, I've never heard of a Westone flat-out 'fake.' I think the bigger risk is that they're selling damaged/defective/ 'b-stock' items. It's very possible they're a genuine pair, but unfortunately it's impossible to know for sure with an unauthorized seller. Plus, the fact that Westone mentions them by name on their website makes their sales even more fishy. I called Crawfords to check on what they'd do for me if the product broke since Westone told me they wouldnt honor the warranty. It took about 3 weeks for me to get an answer from them (they never returned my emails) and they said if it broke within 30 days, they'd replace it. Outside of that, they'd do nothing. So basically, I could spend $350 on a pair of headphones, have something malfunction on them after a couple months, and I'd be completely screwed. 

post #97 of 265

Katun, I think the W4 are just not for you. You can keep trying if you want to hear the sound that others have been hearing but as long as you tried then that is all I can ask for. I would probably return it and then try something else. I really enjoyed the sound of the W4 that despite having customs I almost kept them but thankfully I did not since even one of my customs gets unused and the W4 would suffer that fate as well. It's too bad you did not like them.

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I'm likely going to return/sell them. While there is no doubt they are technically proficient, as well as pretty neutral, I'm not really falling in love with them. I have tried just about all the tips I own, multiple sources, many different genres. Guess I'm too big a fan of colored headphones. :P. I do think the best tips for them are the modded tri flanges, though. Just to note, my mind is not made up yet. Plan on giving them the rest of the week before I make a final decision. I didn't like my IE8's at first either, so things can change!


Edited by Zalithian - 9/14/11 at 12:44pm
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Yea - To be fair at that price when your bordering on custom prices - You need to fall in love with the IEM's to want to use/keep them - I know I'll definitely want to fall in love with the SM3's when I get them  redface.gif

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I know I'll definitely want to fall in love with the SM3's when I get them  redface.gif


You will. They are outstanding in all aspects.

post #101 of 265

As of yesterday I now have an even better listening experience with the W4`s through my P3 amp.

 

Imo, you cannot judge an iem until you have given it the best chance to show it`s potential, same with tips.

 

1. Get your best seal

2. Amp the iem. If you can, find the best sound you can with opamp rolling. Amping is not just for loudness.

 

Headphone out socket of an mp3 player / phone is unfair on any iem, not just these, to make a decision.

 

Edit: My Vsonic 07`s are sitting doing nothing due to my how my W4`s sound with my combo.

 


Edited by Sinth - 9/15/11 at 12:41pm
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As of yesterday I now have an even better listening experience with the W4`s through my P3 amp.

 

Imo, you cannot judge an iem until you have given it the best chance to show it`s potential, same with tips.

 

1. Get your best seal

2. Amp the iem. If you can, find the best sound you can with opamp rolling. Amping is not just for loudness.

 

Headphone out socket of an mp3 player / phone is unfair on any iem, not just these, to make a decision.

 

Edit: My Vsonic 07`s are sitting doing nothing due to my how my W4`s sound with my combo.

 


While glad you're enjoying the W4, I'm going to have to say I strongly disagree with you on amps. I think most of us here are familiar enough with IEMS to know how to get a good seal. I have tried about all of the included tips, as well as other tips I own. I have a fantastic seal with numerous options, including the long comply tips, and modded tri-flanges. If I spend $400 on a pair of IEMS, they better sound damn good without an Amp. It seems completely asinine to me to spend $400 on IEMS and then require a $200 amp before I can fairly judge them. Aside from hurting portability, that's $600 for a pair of Universal IEMS. If I were interested in amping, I would have bought HD650's a long time ago.

 

post #103 of 265

If I only had the option of sticking a pair of £300 iems into a headphone socket of a phone or an apple product then I am sorry, I would never of made the purchase in the first place.

 

Edit: A bit like sticking a scart cable in an hdtv.

 

 


Edited by Sinth - 9/15/11 at 1:15pm
post #104 of 265
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If I only had the option of sticking a pair of £300 iems into a headphone socket of a phone or an apple product then I am sorry, I would never of made the purchase in the first place.

 

 

 

I don't own any apple products, and I'm not listening to them from my phone. Sorry to disappoint.
 

 

post #105 of 265

Sorry mate, hope you find a pair of iems that fits your setup.

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