Tyll testing confirms: Burn-in is clearly audible - Page 4  

This is how I know burn in is real.  I put the headphones on and I listen to them over time, then I trust  my ears. I've trusted my ears as an editor for 24 years. They've fed, clothed and sheltered myself and my family for 24 years.  I don't need no stinkin blind test to tell me what I hear and what I don't hear.  But hey if you're not confident in your own ability to hear and perceive then I guess you need blind test proof, double blind test proof.  Measurements from instruments as proof.  Anything other than your own ears because who can trust those things.

Hello burn-in, my old friend
I've come to argue you again
Here come the frequencies sweeping
Playing noise while I was sleeping
And the theories I've defended in my brain
Still remain
Within the Sound
Science

I know burn-in is real because I've owned a K702.  Is it true for every headphone? Of course not. Do I need an article to prove it one way or another? No. Why? For the same reason I know that my computer is right here beside me: because I can see it and (unfortunately) hear it. Prove me wrong, skeptics. I find it hilarious that so many Head-fiers are so flaky with their sense of hearing-it's truly mindblowing. I would ask: are you psyched out so easily by your other senses as well? Why is it that the sense of hearing is so wishy-washy, but the 4 other senses are generally so believable. Do you not trust your eyes when you see something? Do you not trust your hands when  when you feel something? Ever farted?? Ate pizza? Nah-it's probably all 'placebo' and 'brain burn in' lol. Maybe it's hard to hear something with your head buried in the sand.

I agree however, that not every headphone will audibly change over time from burn in, as I've owned dozens, and only a few changed. But for some it was very dramatic (K702), and others-not so much. But I sure as s*** don't need a skeptic to tell me what I did or did not experience-nor would I tell anyone else what their experiences were. That's just absolutely crazy. So, burn in is real, with certain equipment. I already know it, so why would I need to believe it?

I thought he was gonna prove it with facts with frequency graphics... one with a brand new headphone and other with the same headphone 100 or 1000 hours after.

Thats what I thought it was as well. It seem like a logical test, frequency response chart at hour 1, frequency response chart at hour 100, 1000, etc...

I think some guy had a pair of LCD-2s and he sent them in to Audeze for repairs and asked for another frequency response chart and they were different (not sure if I remember correctly...).

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Your comparison is flawed.  If you want to make a comparison using visuals, compare what's in your closet/dresser compared to what was in it 2 weeks ago.  Is everything in exactly the same place?  Hard to remember maybe?  I surely don't remember where everything was.  Aural memory is notoriously short-lived.

I'm not very flaky with my sense of hearing.  But I don't trust my memory well enough to compare sounds from now to sounds from months ago.  Or even hours ago frankly.  Just as a picture of my closet compared to how it is now would help make a comparison between them much easier would a FR graph between the headphones now and then make comparison possible.

Your analogy is terrible. And yeah, my stuff is NEVER in the same place-I'm a bachelor. ;)

-Daniel
 

People are clutching at straws to save face from years of comparing burning to dancing around the Monolith, I love all the squirming! 

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How is my analogy terrible?  You say that there was an obvious difference with burn in, but you have no sort of comparison, nothing to judge it against other than what is in your memory.  Your analogy with the computer was simply "Hey, I see the computer, therefore it is there".  To apply this logic to the headphones would be: "Hey, I can hear stuff from them, therefore they produce sound".  What you want to compare is change over time.  And to do that accurately, I would trust a machine's memory much more than I would trust mine.

Come at me bro.