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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Wow you got that right. I belong to ps audio forums , I have mentioned it and emailed Paul the CEO . To buy a pair of headphones and provide us headphone guys another running option. It's funny you mentioned that. I'm using firmware 243. With the offramp5. Wow what a difference , even headphones sound great. There is a definitive path between us headphone people and the two channel speaker guys. The speaker guys are mostly just pompous about anything not speakers and a such we are looked at as a sub culture. I really mean this. As I have all three forms of music reproduction. . I know what these people really think about this method .

Al. D

 

I think you're right. :) I kind of figured this while rolling components and then trying to get correct and consistent impressions on both speakers and headphones. Weeell ... it's not quite the same.

I think the main differences are in soundstage and imaging, both of which are quite differently presented. With a few tweaks the PWD2 is absolutely glorious with headphones and by that I mean punching very high up. With speakers it's very much so out of the box imo.

 

And yes some/many speaker people look very much down on us headphones guys. Even magazines here in the UK only regularly review headphones that are at best mid-fi. I always say: it's cars vs motorcycles. There's no better as such.


Edited by negura - 1/3/14 at 2:59pm
post #782 of 876
Thanks I guess I'm not crazy or paranoid lol. As for speakers and headphones it's very complex, but you are correct dacs sound different on speakers and headphones. To discuss it will certainly creat a war of devices so to speak.

If one would be willing to start a thread for it that would be cool though. But I wonder how headphone people feel about speaker guys. I use them all so I just do. to get the conflict.

Al. D
post #783 of 876
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Originally Posted by macrog View Post
 

I suppose its a bit like the 3 Bears porridge.

 

The Phoenix was warm but lack a bit of detail, The Master 5, 6 & 8 were very detailed but could sound a little clinical to some, the master 9 is "just right" more detailed than even the master 5, 6 & 8 but more organic sounding.

 

Comparing them to Audio-gd DACs I would say the Phoenix was like the reference 1/ 7, the Master 5, 6 & 8 like the NFB7 and the Master 9 more like the Master 7.

 

regards

 

Macrog

This is like the BEST news I could have heard! My last system was too bass-light for me, I suppose I'm a bit of a bass-head in the end, so I've feared that a lot in any new potential setup I checked out. It was such a disappointment and really put me off hi-fi for a while. Anyway, I'm not a detail-freak, but I still do need enough detail to get the right soundstage and imaging I also crave. So it sounds like the warmer/bassier sound of the Phoenix compared the rest of the Master series, minus the maybe the new M9, might suit me best of all :-D

 

There's also the whole 2 box thing with the Phoenix, which I just think is plain awesome! I love it.

 

*by the way, I had inquired with Kingwa about getting the Master 8 in a 2 box enclosure and he said it was possible for an additional couple hundred bucks. He said there was an increase in sound quality with doing so, but that it was only slight and that he didn't think it was worth the money. It was doable upon request all the same. So I don't know if the offer still stands on the M9, but I'm just letting y'all( :-P ) know.

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Thanks I guess I'm not crazy or paranoid lol. As for speakers and headphones it's very complex, but you are correct dacs sound different on speakers and headphones. To discuss it will certainly creat a war of devices so to speak.

If one would be willing to start a thread for it that would be cool though. But I wonder how headphone people feel about speaker guys. I use them all so I just do. to get the conflict.

Al. D

During my timeout from hi-fi, and head-fi, after I sold off my last system I listened a lot on my brother's and friend's speaker setups. I came to appreciate them a lot more than I had previously. It's definitely a lot different presentation than I get with headphones and definitely puts me in a different mood. Now that I'm getting back into it all again I'm designing my new system around both headphones and speakers. 

 

Each one just offers such good different things that I really need both to feel satisfied. Unfortunately trying to tackle both is more than like twice as expensive :frown:  

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It's not that bad of you pick devices that work for both. The dac does both, and if you get a speaker amp you can use it for headphones. So the only addition is speakers or headphones . Witch ever comes first. And you do. Ot need like 10 k speakers for it to sound good. And speakers used is the best an safe.
post #786 of 876
Oh you got the PWD MKII I have that dac too. What firmware are you using ?
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Hi all,

 

Just a quick question - My master-9 arrived today and i've hooked it up to my Master-7. I've got both units connected via ACSS so i'm aware the high and low gain feature isn't available, but is it correct that the volume on the m-9 should be at around 50 to power a pair of T50rp's or HE5-lE's or HE 400's?

 

Also i've got a stereo amp which is connected via RCA on the pre amp out. Where would be the best place to control the volume from? ie do I have the volume full on the stereo amp and control from the m-9 or via versa?

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Regards

Steph

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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
 

Hi all,

 

Just a quick question - My master-9 arrived today and i've hooked it up to my Master-7. I've got both units connected via ACSS so i'm aware the high and low gain feature isn't available, but is it correct that the volume on the m-9 should be at around 50 to power a pair of T50rp's or HE5-lE's or HE 400's?

 

Also i've got a stereo amp which is connected via RCA on the pre amp out. Where would be the best place to control the volume from? ie do I have the volume full on the stereo amp and control from the m-9 or via versa?

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Regards

Steph

 

My Master-6 is normally at 25-30 with my T1's, 17-26 with HD800's, 20-34 with LCD2.2's and 35-55 with HE6's.

So 50 for your T50's seems pretty high. Maybe you just like it LOUD!

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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post
 

 

My Master-6 is normally at 25-30 with my T1's, 17-26 with HD800's, 20-34 with LCD2.2's and 35-55 with HE6's.

So 50 for your T50's seems pretty high. Maybe you just like it LOUD!

Oh.... something must be up then! could it be because i'm using the ACSS connection I have no control of the gain feature?

 

Also it's getting quite hot - does your master 6 do the same?

 

And when i'm using Foobar (KS) and adjusting the volume i'm getting small popping noises coming through the phones.

 

Maybe I should ask Kingwa.

post #790 of 876
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
 

Oh.... something must be up then! could it be because i'm using the ACSS connection I have no control of the gain feature?

 

Also it's getting quite hot - does your master 6 do the same?

 

And when i'm using Foobar (KS) and adjusting the volume i'm getting small popping noises coming through the phones.

 

Maybe I should ask Kingwa.

 

ACSS does produce a lower output than XLR but it does seem to be outputting less than it should be.

 

There is no gain control on the M6 so it's like it's on high gain all the time but it only gets warm and never hot.

post #791 of 876
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post
 

 

ACSS does produce a lower output than XLR but it does seem to be outputting less than it should be.

 

There is no gain control on the M6 so it's like it's on high gain all the time but it only gets warm and never hot.

My m9 is getting very hot - even the side and front panels. I'll definitely email Kingwa see if i'm doing something wrong.

post #792 of 876
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
 

My m9 is getting very hot - even the side and front panels. I'll definitely email Kingwa see if i'm doing something wrong.

 

Maybe it is designed differently from the M6 so that it will get hotter, it is a class A amp after all but better to ask Kingwa or other M9 users.

 

How does it sound?

post #793 of 876
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Originally Posted by Steph86 View Post
 

My m9 is getting very hot - even the side and front panels. I'll definitely email Kingwa see if i'm doing something wrong.

 

Could it be that the M9 has a "super-exponential" volume curve and the Master-6 has a linear one? In that case the steps in volume should be rather small in the lower range (to allow good volume precision with sensitive headphones) and should become higher and higher as the volume increases.

The HE-5LE need lots of gain too, their sensitivity is around 87.5dB! The HE-400 should be more efficient, though.

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Thread Starter 

The case is meant to get hot, the case is the heat sink. Also, are you using your headphones balanced or single ended? Single ended will have roughly half the volume output.

post #795 of 876
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

Could it be that the M9 has a "super-exponential" volume curve and the Master-6 has a linear one? In that case the steps in volume should be rather small in the lower range (to allow good volume precision with sensitive headphones) and should become higher and higher as the volume increases.

The HE-5LE need lots of gain too, their sensitivity is around 87.5dB! The HE-400 should be more efficient, though.

It could be, i've emailed Kinga asking him about my concerns. tomorrow i'll get the m-7 and m-9 via RCA to see if that makes a difference.

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