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I prefer a neutral sounding interface with the PWD2. Hydra-X is warm sounding and the PWD2 itself is also slightly warm off neutral, which is fine. More than this I find it detracts from overall transparency.

 

USB to AES:

http://www.yellowtec.de/products-lp/puc2-lp/puc2-lite.html

 

I also had the non PP Audiophilleo 2 with a linear regulated PSU for the USB power rail. It was great with the PWD2, but I marginally preferred the PUC2 as it proved even more resolving.


Edited by negura - 1/2/14 at 8:11am
post #767 of 876
I have the pwd and both offramp and ap1/pp. I also have the m7 m8 combo
If this helps
post #768 of 876
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

I prefer a neutral sounding interface with the PWD2. Hydra-X is warm sounding and the PWD2 itself is also slightly warm off neutral, which is fine. More than this I find it detracts from overall transparency.

 

USB to AES:

http://www.yellowtec.de/products-lp/puc2-lp/puc2-lite.html

 

I also had the non PP Audiophilleo 2 with a linear regulated PSU for the USB power rail. It was great with the PWD2, but I marginally preferred the PUC2 as it proved even more resolving.

 

I only recommended the Hydra -X as a cheaper way to use the I2S input of the PWD2.  

 

Have you heard the I2S output of the Hydra-X with the I2S input of the PWD2?  

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I only recommended the Hydra -X as a cheaper way to use the I2S input of the PWD2.  

 

Have you heard the I2S output of the Hydra-X with the I2S input of the PWD2?  

 

I've not done extensive input testing at that time, but my experience in general in this respect is that while different inputs can indeed sound a bit different, it's a fairly limited impact to sound signature. Unless there are reasons to believe the I2S implementation of the PWD2 and Hydra are indeed significantly superior or different than the others, for some reason...

post #770 of 876

I guess it would be based on the same reasons you feel that AES pcu2 bring improvments.  Some feel I2S will bring improvments over AES, USB and Coax (RCA / BNC)..

 

Anyway Ben was interested in USB to I2S converters.

post #771 of 876
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I guess it would be based on the same reasons you feel that AES pcu2 bring improvments.  Some feel I2S will bring improvments over AES, USB and Coax (RCA / BNC)..

 

Anyway Ben was interested in USB to I2S converters.

If you say A = B, and I say B = C, then by simple reason, A = C... That was pretty funny to read, I had a good laugh.

 

Thanks for pointing me over to the Hydra-X, Darryl. I commented over in that thread too, but what ever happened to your unit? I don't see it listed in your sig or profile, and you never mentioned it when I asked you via PM. I'd hate to say, but I'm guessing you may have never received the unit? Or it was defective or something like that? I'd really love to hear your views on it, it is the cheapest, and seemingly high quality, I2s convertor I've seen around. 

 

If the word is good about its pairing with the PWD Mkii and I save up a bit, I might have to grab it. Thanks again for pointing me back to it.

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If you say A = B, and I say B = C, then by simple reason, A = C... That was pretty funny to read, I had a good laugh.

 

Thanks for pointing me over to the Hydra-X, Darryl. I commented over in that thread too, but what ever happened to your unit? I don't see it listed in your sig or profile, and you never mentioned it when I asked you via PM. I'd hate to say, but I'm guessing you may have never received the unit? Or it was defective or something like that? I'd really love to hear your views on it, it is the cheapest, and seemingly high quality, I2s convertor I've seen around. 

 

If the word is good about its pairing with the PWD Mkii and I save up a bit, I might have to grab it. Thanks again for pointing me back to it.

 

DOA...

post #773 of 876

Yup - it was DOA, they wanted to seen me a replacement right away, but I declined the offer.

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Yup - it was DOA, they wanted to seen me a replacement right away, but I declined the offer.

Dammit. I had this sneaking feeling that it was DOA and that you'd have declined the replacement. I was just holding it in and hoping you would say Yeah, it was backordered and hasn't arrived yet or my new one's on the way, there was just a supply shortage" or something like that. I guess you got a new, more expensive, DAC, so it just wasn't worth it? 

 

Given it does what I want though(USB->HDMI-I2s), it doesn't cost more than the DAC itself, and it's battery powered, I may have to give it a look in a few months when work slows down. The more and more I think about it, the more doing a shootout between a few convertors/components seems like a good idea. I've always thought about it, but never committed to the idea. Guess it's be time.

 

Anyway, I think I'll be happy with the PWD Mkii USB input for a while, though.

 

As for the most recent posts on the Master 9 though, I wonder how well my new, but used, Phoenix is going to stack up? I really wanted the new guy, but not wanting to shell out about double and finding one already in Canada, it was too hard to pass up. And getting the Phoenix puts Pricklely Peete's MAX Mods on the table as an option/pet-project :cool:

post #775 of 876
The Phoenix is still a great headphone amp in my opinion and even as a preamp was better than the Linn I had prior to getting it.

The Phoenix is much more neutral I.e. Less warm through acss inputs however.

One of the biggest improvements with the master series pre and headphone amps was improving the quality of the xlr and RCA inputs.

I didnt really notice an difference between the master 5, 6 & 8 except with the hifiman he6's which preferred the higher power of the 6 & 8's. The master 9 is a very worth while improvement though.

Regards

macrog
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The Phoenix is still a great headphone amp in my opinion and even as a preamp was better than the Linn I had prior to getting it.

The Phoenix is much more neutral I.e. Less warm through acss inputs however.

One of the biggest improvements with the master series pre and headphone amps was improving the quality of the xlr and RCA inputs.

I didnt really notice an difference between the master 5, 6 & 8 except with the hifiman he6's which preferred the higher power of the 6 & 8's. The master 9 is a very worth while improvement though.

Regards

macrog

 

Could you tell us more about the improvement of the M9?

In what areas you feel it is a better headphone amp? Technically? In terms of tonality?

 

In the M9 specs, Kingwa re-used the M8 THD measure; Does he feels they don't differ that much in that area?

 

From the graph, one can clearly see the 2nd and 3rd order harmonics that should tell a bit about the philosophy of sound. It's not designed neutral but the overall level of distortion is impressive (<-120dB almost everywhere).

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Anyway, I think I'll be happy with the PWD Mkii USB input for a while, though.

 

 

The PWD2 USB input is good. Then there's better. I'd still be very pleased with just the PWD2 input though. :)

I sometimes swap to it on my speakers. Oh yeah there's that too. I don't think the PWD2 was voiced by the manufacturer with many headphones.


Edited by negura - 1/3/14 at 2:32pm
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I suppose its a bit like the 3 Bears porridge.

 

The Phoenix was warm but lack a bit of detail, The Master 5, 6 & 8 were very detailed but could sound a little clinical to some, the master 9 is "just right" more detailed than even the master 5, 6 & 8 but more organic sounding.

 

Comparing them to Audio-gd DACs I would say the Phoenix was like the reference 1/ 7, the Master 5, 6 & 8 like the NFB7 and the Master 9 more like the Master 7.

 

regards

 

Macrog

post #779 of 876
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Originally Posted by macrog View Post
 

I suppose its a bit like the 3 Bears porridge.

 

The Phoenix was warm but lack a bit of detail, The Master 5, 6 & 8 were very detailed but could sound a little clinical to some, the master 9 is "just right" more detailed than even the master 5, 6 & 8 but more organic sounding.

 

Comparing them to Audio-gd DACs I would say the Phoenix was like the reference 1/ 7, the Master 5, 6 & 8 like the NFB7 and the Master 9 more like the Master 7.

 

regards

 

Macrog

 

:eek: OK, I'm buying one!

Thanks for the very clear comparison :beerchug:

post #780 of 876
Wow you got that right. I belong to ps audio forums , I have mentioned it and emailed Paul the CEO . To buy a pair of headphones and provide us headphone guys another running option. It's funny you mentioned that. I'm using firmware 243. With the offramp5. Wow what a difference , even headphones sound great. There is a definitive path between us headphone people and the two channel speaker guys. The speaker guys are mostly just pompous about anything not speakers and a such we are looked at as a sub culture. I really mean this. As I have all three forms of music reproduction. . I know what these people really think about this method .

Al. D
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