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post #751 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I think Clem said it great too. I can add this to it. The pwd mkii is best sounding with the bridge or hdmi i2s. Input
The USB is not as clean as the others. But the difference in the DAC is still as Clem says
Now I can also say if the music you listen to is high quality. The the pdwmkii is ok.
But the M7 is a little more easy on the ears with less than high quality. I think Clem will agree
With me in this. And one more thing to consider is cost. At 4k for just a DAC
You can get both the M7/M9 combo. And have ACSS connection between them
And have a preamp and great headphone amp too. $$$ wise is just make sense

Al D

 

Thanks a lot for your guys' help and comments. In the end I also talked to Prep and found the PWD Mkii at a great price. So I'm going to check it out and see how it sounds. In the end I was really worried that although the M7 would be resolving and have soundstage, that it might lack some bass impact that I need. I'm a bit of a bass head in the end. I'm going to mate it with a Phoenix that I also picked up this past week and hopefully get a good balance in the bass slam out of them. 

 

It's going to be an interesting year in the audio department for me. Haha, besides a custom BNC cable and a couple tweaks/add-ons, it was a 120% complete system sell off and rebuild. It'll be interesting to see how it all sounds and turns out the 2nd time around... I enjoyed round 1 a lot, but it turned out pretty expensive for me and I can't say that I got what I was looking for. So, time to see again. See if I learned a thing or two?

 

Anyway, thanks again guys.

post #752 of 876
As I own all of what you are looking to buy , keep in mind and ask me what you wish . Right now the M7 is at my home and PWDmkii and PWT is at my office lol. So by the weekend they all should be in the same place and I can do the test you wish with the headphones you wish maybe if I have them. Also shoot me a pm for what music you know and maybe we can work that out as well. It can only get better if you were there than this .

Good luck.

Al. D
post #753 of 876
Also what firmware is on the pwdmkii the sound does change a lot from older to newer . The newest is 4.2.3'.
post #754 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

As I own all of what you are looking to buy , keep in mind and ask me what you wish . Right now the M7 is at my home and PWDmkii and PWT is at my office lol. So by the weekend they all should be in the same place and I can do the test you wish with the headphones you wish maybe if I have them. Also shoot me a pm for what music you know and maybe we can work that out as well. It can only get better if you were there than this .

Good luck.

Al. D

 

I've already bought the PWD Mkii and Phoenix, but they haven't arrived yet. So I guess I missed that chance at asking you more about it before I pulled the trigger :-/  Should be ok, though. I think what I've bought will be a better pairing than previously.

 

Also, I downloaded all 3 versions of the firmware for the PWD Mkii, so when it does arrive I'll mostly cycle between the newest, 2.4.3, and the bass heavy version, 2.0.2. Apparently the 2.2.0 version was more trebley and lost the impact that 2.0.2 had, and that no matter the revision, it didn't really return until the new 2.4.3. Anyway, I'll see which I like between 2.0.2 and 2.4.3.

 

If I could ask about it, I'd ask how the Phoenix mated with the PWD Mkii over USB vs. over SPDIF. I used to have a Jkenny Mk3 HiFace and thought it was a great converter, but I've heard that the PWD Mkii's USB input is really fantastic. I wonder if in the end, the DAC still sounds better via that interface and that maybe USB really hasn't caught up yet?

 

I don't know of an I2s convertor to try, since the PWD Mkii uses HDMI I2s. Any tips?

 

Thanks a lot for continuing to help, Al.

post #755 of 876
The USB implementation is fine and listening with both will be you best way to sort that out.

Phoneix ??
post #756 of 876
The off ramp 5 has the HDMI and the rj45type i2s outputs. Imperical audio
post #757 of 876

Alright, thanks. I'll stick to using USB for the trials :-)

 

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

The off ramp 5 has the HDMI and the rj45type i2s outputs. Imperical audio

 

Yeah, the Off Ramp is WAY too expensive for me though. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Also the OR-5 is based on the old HiFace internals, so it can't do Integer Mode and suffers because of it. Lots of other SPDIF converters that can do Integer Mode are really said to have closed the gap on the OR-5 when they were used with it. There should be a new OR-6 coming out soon that uses a whole new chip set and can do Integer Mode, but still, it'll be too pricey for me :-(

 

Now besides that converter, are there any others out there that aren't CRAZY expensive. Although I doubt I ever would, I'd consider an SPDIF/I2s converter up to ~$1200, but would really prefer MUCH cheaper. The Berkeley - Alpha USB looks interesting and I think about it, but again, it's quite pricey at $1600 street prices.

post #758 of 876
The Audiophilleo pp1 and pure power .

http://www.audiophilleo.com. It does 384 dsd as well. . Besides just convert ded to wav . There is no direct benefit in leaving it in ded format . I have that too .

Al. D
post #759 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

The Audiophilleo pp1 and pure power .

http://www.audiophilleo.com. It does 384 dsd as well. . Besides just convert ded to wav . There is no direct benefit in leaving it in ded format . I have that too .

Al. D

 

Thanks. I have heard a lot about the Audiophilleo + PurePower1 and how good it is. And it does Integer Mode too :-D  And yes, I agree that currently converting DSD to PCM is the best move, unless you do have one of the 3 or 4 truly 1bit DACs to handle the true DSD stream. Anyway, DSD isn't a format I'm too concerned with right now, I've left it in the land of marketing hype. I'll wait until it really settles in as a format and people know some way to "make" it sounds better than other formats.

 

So about the  Audiophilleo + PurePower1, do you use this to connect the PWD Mkii or the M7 to your source computer? What effect has it had on the both DACs, and more so the PWD Mkii?

post #760 of 876
I own the MSB platinum dac stack with the UMT and galaxy clock. And if you can have a listen to it. It will change your mind of digital recordings verses analog for ever.

No matter what we read or here people spout about did octal verses analog it's just hype for one or the others products . You going to hear it will be a far better judge .

The audio app with pure power will make that dac move up enough to be worth the investment . It sounds better than the transport to my ears.
post #761 of 876
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I own the MSB platinum dac stack with the UMT and galaxy clock. And if you can have a listen to it. It will change your mind of digital recordings verses analog for ever.

The audio app with pure power will make that dac move up enough to be worth the investment . It sounds better than the transport to my ears.

 

Yeah, I don't think a good digital system will sound worse that other TOTL systems. I have a lot of faith in the state of digital now. I think it also has a lot to do with goo planning and good component synergy. I actually can't say what a good analogue system sounds like anyway, as I've never heard a "great" one :-/

 

And about the Audiophilleo + PP1, have you used it with your DACs before? Especially the PWD Mkii. What was the result? I used to use the JKenny Mk3 HiFace and it definitely did make a difference in sound quality in my old DAC. The Audiophilleo + PP1 is ~$1000 though, so I'm wondering what more it can do that JKenny's new, non-HiFace based, Ciúnas can't?

post #762 of 876
I am with you regarding anolog verses digital. But the people with a 100k system will say differently . I have heard a a couple of 100k plus systems and they sound great and there is something about the sound that is calming to hear. But a 100 k digital system sounds way better , but does lack that anolog calming affect. But I would rather have a drink to calm the nerves and have the musicisions in the room with me . As only digital can give you the they are here kind of sound realalisim .
post #763 of 876

My Master 9 has finally arrived and I am pleased to say the upgrade from the Master 8 was very worthwhile. The improvement in detail is immediately apparent.  The A-g CD7FV, Master 7, Master 9, Sennheiser HD800 combo is absolutely gorgeous.

 

Now if only M2Tech would only come up with a OSX Mavericks Evo driver so I could ditch the Master 7s inbuilt USB32 I would be fully happy. In my opinion though it does take the full M2Tech Evo stack to surpass the inbuilt usb32.

 

Kingwa always understates the improvement between models and I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade from any other A-g headphone amp to the Master 9. Well worth the effort and money.

 

The difference between my Master 9 / master 7 / Hd800 system and the Cavalli Liquid Lightening 2 / Stax SR009 is so small I dont think anyone rational would do the upgrade :)

 

Regards

 

Macrog

post #764 of 876
As I do agree with kingwa,s lacking of usb32 input , and I am sure the M8 best,s the M9. But the stax 009 compared to the HD800 really. You need a better amp for the stax.

I have the woo Wes all in with the stax. And I have written that setup well the hd800 is 85 percent of the stax , but the level of sound from the stax is just so fast and transparent compared to the HD800. If you can find someone with a woo Wes or BHSE. And here just what those cans can really give you.
Edited by ALRAINBOW - 12/31/13 at 1:26pm
post #765 of 876
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Originally Posted by Benny-x View Post
 

 

Yeah, I don't think a good digital system will sound worse that other TOTL systems. I have a lot of faith in the state of digital now. I think it also has a lot to do with goo planning and good component synergy. I actually can't say what a good analogue system sounds like anyway, as I've never heard a "great" one :-/

 

And about the Audiophilleo + PP1, have you used it with your DACs before? Especially the PWD Mkii. What was the result? I used to use the JKenny Mk3 HiFace and it definitely did make a difference in sound quality in my old DAC. The Audiophilleo + PP1 is ~$1000 though, so I'm wondering what more it can do that JKenny's new, non-HiFace based, Ciúnas can't?

 

Hey Ben take a look at this.  http://www.audiobyte.ro/hydra.html#  It's a cheaper way for you to use the I2S input of the PWD2.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/665558/audiobyte-hydra-high-end-usb-interface

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